Quit Ruining The General Discussions

[Alleo]

This is the general forum that talks about anything about the game. Its not about only x negative threads allowed forum. Also a lot of these big negatives threads do have quite some likes so it does speak to at least some people. Honestly I just read through the front pages and click on those threads that interest me and either post in it or dont. I am not forced to read every single thread and nobody else is either.

Quite some of those threads also stayed alive much longer by people troll posting in it or attacking others. So some of those that dislike the negative threads are keeping them alive just by posting in it. We also had some pure troll threads as an answer to those negative ones which is not much better.

If the mods would find it too much they would simply combine threads or delete them/close them. So it seems that its still fine.

Edit: It has gotten heaten on both sides but honestly I am quite shocked by some posters (and there are some that are going on about complainers) that went into a thread a certain person made and instead of either ignoring it or at least posting on topic they just went on an insult the person directly...even though these threads may have had some very good points..there are people that say that they dont hold a grudge but go out of their way to celebrate that someone wont be able to post anymore..An eye for an eye is never a great approach and just because someone was a bit rude in some topics does not give someone else the right to go into another topic of that person and just insult them..that is just the same kind of rudeness that you dislike from the other side.

Personal attacks should stay out of discussion but people should be allowed to be negative about stuff..I am quite negative because the way its going right now just is something I truly dislike. I still have enough stuff ingame that I like otherwise I would not be there and I am also discussing lore and even positive points or give ideas but I will be way more vocal if its something that is bad in my view...and Yoshida himself stated that critisism is worth much more than a compliment..do we need countless of threads of the same kind of topic? No probably not. Does it hurt the forum? No not really. A lot of these countless negative threads to have a higher page count and since we dont have a limit of threads allowed in this forum a new thread wont hurt us as the community.

[Ayer2015]

If that many people are complaining, perhaps there is a problem. It just may not be a problem for you.

[Remedi]

Just some food for thoughts. Belgium has ruled lootboxes as gambling and warned some games about changing them or face some consequences. Now It's just a nation, but others might follow
What ppl think is that ESRB was created as a way to gamindustri to self regulate itself and avoid governments butting in, however by ignoring the problems that companies were intruding they essentially forced governments hands and most are not sure that it's a good thing, since some games will simply die even if their service was a fair one.

Also again I want to point out this is not against complaining

edit daily limit or w/e(I think it's hour based tbh ayway): My point is dont' ask for higher powers to decide what's good and what's bad

[Avatre]

Just some food for thoughts. Belgium has ruled lootboxes as gambling and warned some games about changing them or face some consequences. Now It's just a nation, but others might follow
What ppl think is that ESRB was created as a way to gamindustri to self regulate itself and avoid governments butting in, however by ignoring the problems that companies were intruding they essentially forced governments hands and most are not sure that it's a good thing, since some games will simply die even if their service was a fair one.

Also again I want to point out this is not against complaining

Except there isn't a loot box that you can buy in this game. The only ones you get(unless I am missing one) are from Palace of the Dead(Accursed Hoard), Diadem(Lock Boxes) and from Eureka(Lock Boxes again). So while it may be considered gambling, the only thing that is being spent is your time and not your money.

[InkstainedGwyn]

Just some food for thoughts. Belgium has ruled lootboxes as gambling and warned some games about changing them or face some consequences.

Nothing SE sells for real money (and the lootbox issue is with real money, not random boxes found in games) is a lootbox or random in any way. That law has nothing to do with games selling add-ons, or even (beyond what SE does) battle-advantage boosts. "+150% damage for 5h" boost would not violate this, either. I think it's a great step forward but isn't going to affect XIV in the slightest.

[Rokke]

by ignoring the problems that companies were intruding they essentially forced governments hands and most are not sure that it's a good thing, since some games will simply die even if their service was a fair one.

Gambling is what seems to be the issue various governments are having. Using Overwatch one of their examples, Belgium officials said they're in violation entirely because you pay for a chance at winning X instead of outright buying X. Expansions/DLC aren’t in the crosshairs (at least, not here in the US or Belgium) so any company/game that doesn’t involve loot boxes should be fine. If anything, we're set to get more fragmented stories (a la ffxv or me3) with dlc gates to get the full story once more countries get on top of loot box regulation.

That all said, none of that really effects us here at all cause XIV has no paid loot boxes.

[ReplicaX]

I have not. I only defended my self after being attacked by someone in question.

I just want to make one thing clear from reading so many of your posts. There are people on this forum that have literally referenced sources against incorrect statements which you have posted, without insulting you at all. Yet, you have thrown insults right at them, when all they did was correct you and provide you with creditable source material.

If you consider debate with counterarguments presented with source material with no insults by the poster "insulting". Then there is a communication issue with you and you need to work on it.

[Alleo]

I just want to make one thing clear from reading so many of your posts. There are people on this forum that have literally referenced sources against incorrect statements which you have posted, without insulting you at all. Yet, you have thrown insults right at them, when all they did was correct you and provide you with creditable source material.

If you consider debate with counterarguments presented with source material with no insults by the poster "insulting". Then there is a communication issue with you and you need to work on it.

I can agree that some of her posts are a bit rude. White knights and stuff like that should not be part of a discussion. BUT the other side has reacted on quite a lot of post way too harsh too. There were enough topics that made sense and had points in the OP and yet some people just posted how its that user again and nothing on topic. Some celebrated that she will be gone from the forums in a thread that was important because its an issue right now. And a couple of posters "from the other side" are also often rude to those that are not of their opinion and if they are asked for evidence they are suddenly quiet.

What do I want to say with that? Both sides did not behave for the best. That does not make the threads themselves bad. Black list a person you truly somehow dislike and/or simply ignore those threads if you think that they are not worth it. Going into them and insulting the person does not make for a good case.

[Airget]

If that many people are complaining, perhaps there is a problem. It just may not be a problem for you.

If we go by that logic of who upvoted the first post though, that's only 60 people. Even then that's not a lot of people complaining cause a majority of people who see mog station see it as what it is, a place for extra glamour and support for the game. They choose not to invest in it and they don't let it get to them.

The vocal minority that tends to complain about it are the ones who want X gear but don't want to spend the money to get it, so they complain it hopes of it getting cheaper for them.

[HyoMinPark]

I have not. I only defended my self after being attacked by someone in question. How come you do not say this at NephthysVasudan? or have you have that person confused with me? So you expect me to be insulted over and over again and not say anything? Why do you think it is ok for people to insult me and not me to say anything? or the lack of forum moderation?

While I have had my disagreements with Nephthys in the past.....

Because unlike you...I don't make stuff up and then make it a mountain of trouble on a string.

They have a point.

Refraining from ad hominem (like calling someone an SE apologist for just losing patience with your lack of coherent arguments, for example) and hyperbole generally help. As well as not arguing with every poster on the forums who just happen to disagree with you on X topic.