Quit Ruining The General Discussions

[Divinemights]

So if we are telling people to stop being negative and bringing the forums down, i want it all across the board. I don't want to hear your grumbling about the playerbase or how hard savage is because of all the pugs. Get rid of the "tales from duty finder thread," that's as negative as anything out there because it constantly fosters the idea this playerbase sucks and can't even do simple things.

Are you really shock at why this thread is coming up?
It is just matter of time until forum can no longer take this type of daily dramatic, hyperbole, and illogical ranting.

[KaivaC]

I blame SE for not communicating tbh, if they responded more, people would not feel complied to be heard by making their own thread. There are threads here that even did the "mega thread" route and they get ignored too.

What did you hope to achieve by this? surely you saw your self this could been seen as "another negative" thread? You could spun this differently to try get people to do more "mega thread" type mentality to overall achieve the same point, doing it that way wouldn't sound so "people bashing"

but even with that we saw the "mega thread" thing not work so now what?

Alright, I'll bite. Let's see where this goes.

You yourself have attacked a lot of posters - if the point of your complaints was to highlight a lot of the things that the devs are doing wrong, why feel the need to attack other posters who have disagreed with you? Even in the beginning of some of your threads, when things began civil, you started telling folks that either 'they don't understand', or 'they are white knighting', or 'they just don't want to see that they are wrong'. If you are so convinced that we should have better communication (which I do happen to agree with, we share the same point on that matter), why sabotage all the complaints you've been making by...insulting those who disagree with you? Even when I addressed you in another thread, even when I stated that while I disagreed with you, you had some valid points; everything that you insisted boiled down to 'my way or the highway'. As just an example, you want better communication, but why would the devs want to communicate if every complaint thread is chock full of insults back and forth? You had good intentions, I'll give you that - but it does no good if personal insults are what you resort to just to get your point across. It does no good if you attack folks who disagree even slightly with one point and agree with another - the way you've been carrying on, it's as if those who have split opinions on you are essentially in 100% disagreement with you, which sometimes is not the case at all.

Again, it's fine to complain. But complaints lose their value once you start insulting others, and then reminding them that you are unsubbed or unsubbing. Now, my response here was specific to you. The start of the thread was not. Keep that in mind.

I'm getting tired of people fixating on one word in my post and not reading them.

My point was that we would end up with "approved" negative topics. People would be just as negative about things like "how bad players suck in savage pugs" or in duty finder in general, because it's a topic that apparently people can be negative in one way and its ok, because we all know how bad baddies are. A good example in the past were topics on royal menagerie; if you even suggested it might be hard for a story fight, watch the wagons circle around and watch people get jumped on no matter how civil they were.

So if we are telling people to stop being negative and bringing the forums down, i want it all across the board. I don't want to hear your grumbling about the playerbase or how hard savage is because of all the pugs. Get rid of the "tales from duty finder thread," that's as negative as anything out there because it constantly fosters the idea this playerbase sucks and can't even do simple things.

You are tired of people fixating on 'one word', but that's exactly what you did with your last couple responses. And you missed the point. Yes, I have complained before...but I didn't go around reposting it or variations of it multiple times in a short timeframe (which in this case is mere days). At the worst, I waited a good few weeks before starting either on another subject or a related subject. I didn't flood the front page with comments about related things - I barely left my own thread to engage others in discussions. You fixated on a few points and missed the rest of what I have been saying. But, I'm glad you brought up the Tales from the Duty Finder. See, the thing about the duty finder thread is...it's a vent thread that is consolidated. You don't see vent after vent after vent within a few days of how badly people did in an instance. The few times people do post outside of that thread, they are usually new to these forums. Do I expect or want that to happen with everything else? No...that's not what I'm suggesting. People are rightfully angry - it's the repeated threads popping up one after another in such a short succession that I feel that it's become overwhelmingly negative in GD. As far as savage pugs, the player base, and all that other stuff is concerned, that's something for another time, likely by somebody else.

[NephthysVasudan]

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*/hug* @ Kaiva
Love your new sig picture.

[RiyahArp]

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At least I make an effort to understand those last two points. If I don't respond, I generally agree or don't contest the rest of them because of space issues.

and ok, let's just have megathreads. Let's limit comments. The next thing you will do, and I guarantee, is complain at how dead the general forum is becoming. Yes, people are negative, but this is because the game really isnt giving us anything to be positive about at the moment, and usually positive things limit or drive out negative. If we are getting these threads, a lot of it has to do with how unsatisfying things like Eureka has been, or that the only news is what's new on the cash shop or that we are getting a new sub-optional app. You can't just say "let's not be negative" or limit it, because then we end up like the pvp forum, silent.

[Vstarstruck]

Alright, I'll bite. Let's see where this goes.

You yourself have attacked a lot of posters

I have not. I only defended my self after being attacked by someone in question. How come you do not say this at NephthysVasudan? or have you have that person confused with me? So you expect me to be insulted over and over again and not say anything? Why do you think it is ok for people to insult me and not me to say anything? or the lack of forum moderation?

[NephthysVasudan]

I have not. I only defended my self after being attacked by someone in question. How come you do not say this at NephthysVasudan? or have you have that person confused with me? So you expect me to be insulted over and over again and not say anything? Why do you think it is ok for people to insult me and not me to say anything? or the lack of forum moderation?

Because unlike you...I don't make stuff up and then make it a mountain of trouble on a string.

[Soupa]

Because unlike you...I don't make stuff up and then make it a mountain of trouble on a string.

And your posts are generally more pleasant to read.

[HyoMinPark]

I have not. I only defended my self after being attacked by someone in question. How come you do not say this at NephthysVasudan? or have you have that person confused with me? So you expect me to be insulted over and over again and not say anything? Why do you think it is ok for people to insult me and not me to say anything? or the lack of forum moderation?

While I have had my disagreements with Nephthys in the past.....

Because unlike you...I don't make stuff up and then make it a mountain of trouble on a string.

They have a point.

Refraining from ad hominem (like calling someone an SE apologist for just losing patience with your lack of coherent arguments, for example) and hyperbole generally help. As well as not arguing with every poster on the forums who just happen to disagree with you on X topic.

[Avatre]

I have not. I only defended my self after being attacked by someone in question. How come you do not say this at NephthysVasudan? or have you have that person confused with me? So you expect me to be insulted over and over again and not say anything? Why do you think it is ok for people to insult me and not me to say anything? or the lack of forum moderation?

Oooo...this was FUN! Please explain where this hostility came from then? NOTHING in that thread(from the below quote) was directed straight at you. I was having a conversation based on the screenshots you shared in there from the live letter. Yet, what's this? Hostility towards me? And as the above(bolded, italics, and underlined for your convenience), supposedly I would have attacked you first. I will wait while you provide your sources of where I attacked you prior to the point below.

Are you BLIND??!?!?!

https://i.gyazo.com/28c4f176c861d610...23df6514cd.png

moogle COINS, the app IRL money currency.
https://gyazo.com/0d39b2105bff95ad3ee520582743d684

So with moogle COINS (the thing that is not the log in bonus currency) lets you list/ price change/ and buy off the MB

Moogle NUT, the log in bonus only lets you BUY something off the mb:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...4_04.26.40.png
That means in order to price change and to sell something, it is only available with the transaction currency and the only reason it is listed for "free" (my guessing anyway) is because you can buy the currency without the sub.

This app is P2W, no matter the how small the impact it makes to "PvE" or "PvE" it is still P2W, you are paying IRL money for an advantage over someone that does not.

stop nitpicking what "win" means. It is not speculation, right there on the damn slides.



yup, it was largely ignored because it is not a big deal (helps that no one fully exploit it to my knowledge)now you are enabling FULL market control, because of the sheer number of retainers and quick access to price changes with this P2W app. It is the app though that crossed the line and made it worth noting, stop with increasing p2w elements.

PS: I always cover my ass when looking up sources, or going to someone with problems. Knowing your stuff is winning the battle.

[ManuelBravo]

Oooo...this was FUN! Please explain where this hostility came from then? NOTHING in that thread(from the below quote) was directed straight at you. I was having a conversation based on the screenshots you shared in there from the live letter. Yet, what's this? Hostility towards me? And as the above(bolded, italics, and underlined for your convenience), supposedly I would have attacked you first. I will wait while you provide your sources of where I attacked you prior to the point below.

PS: I always cover my ass when looking up sources, or going to someone with problems. Knowing your stuff is winning the battle.

Don't hold your breath I've been waiting for some responses with sources a few weeks now myself... chances are they will just go to a different thread or start a new one.