Ninja confuses me

[Shamox]

https://www.mooglemedia.com/nin-guide/
Just go straight to the TCJ part.

[Makeda]

https://www.mooglemedia.com/nin-guide/
Just go straight to the TCJ part.

Oh thanks. Been looking for something like this. My Ninja is level 67... I've got what I've used in leveling down pretty well... but I needed a good guide as I transition into playing the job more seriously now that I've realized how much I like it.

[wereotter]

https://www.mooglemedia.com/nin-guide/
Just go straight to the TCJ part.

The guide reinforces what I said. TCJ used to execute Fuma > Katon > Doton is higher potency as soon as you get two ticks of Doton on the enemy than Fuma > Raiton > Suiton.

It also addresses that using Bhavacakra under trick attack is a DPS increase, something you can’t do if you spent your ninki to execute trick attack.

[FeliAiko]

TA setup via TCJ is a matter of efficiency, since it means not having to manually cast Suiton, which minimises clipping and in turn frees up that Mudra on Fuma/Raiton instead. As for getting Bhava under TA it's still possible even with a TCJ TA setup. An early example of it can be seen here: https://whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3aMWXrPvzg

[Shamox]

You simply don't understand what clipping is nor how optimizing ninja works.
Also, fyi there are situation where you can setup TA with TCJ and get a bhava in the very same TA.

Fuma > Katon > Doton is higher potency as soon as you get two ticks of Doton on the enemy than Fuma > Raiton > Suiton.

No.
You want a full duration Doton to really make it worth, missing 1 tick will reduce the gain and missing 2 almost means a loss.

[wereotter]

Here's the thing your guides miss.... yes you clip your GCD by 1 second which in a normal raid means you'll miss maybe 3 GCDs. So yes, that adds up, I get it. But what you're gaining by doing what I said is being able to execute your second most powerful OGCD every trick attack which means over the course of a 9-10 minute fight the difference is only about 100 potency between the two in favor of your method before calculating in the increase in using TCJ to execute Fuma > Katon > Doton, which adds back 350 potency back in favor of my method.

So ultimately it would be more a question of how much does the boss move, it would seem, then a simple one method is right and the other is wrong.

[Shamox]

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I'm not gonna waste anymore time trying to teach someone who does not want to learn.

[Maero]

I could be missing what you are all talking about but i have only ever used doton for groups of enemies and never single targets.
I could admit i am a Nin noob as said previously i have always been a caster and just used Nin for Expert Roulettes in the past, this time around i have had to learn Nin to raid, lol

[Exiled_Tonberry]

TA setup via TCJ is a matter of efficiency, since it means not having to manually cast Suiton, which minimises clipping and in turn frees up that Mudra on Fuma/Raiton instead. As for getting Bhava under TA it's still possible even with a TCJ TA setup. An early example of it can be seen here: https://whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3aMWXrPvzg

I'm not a Ninja, but please don't delay your trick attack that long in a actual raid setting >.>

[FeliAiko]

I'm not a Ninja, but please don't delay your trick attack that long in a actual raid setting >.>

There's no TA delay with a TCJ setup. You TCJ when TA is around 14s, do 4 GCDs (a AC/AE/SF combo + SE) then TA.