How is ilvl an issue while leveling?

[LineageRazor]

I'm sorry if I misunderstand - if you aren't defending these points as legitimate reasons to not be up-to-date on your gear then excuse my post.

Yes, you misunderstood; I'm not defending the practice, just making an observation.

I will note, though, that the moment you mentioned Googling something, you're already going WELL beyond the level of effort that many players are willing to put into this game. Players ARE lazy, and many refuse to do "homework" of any kind, at least when it comes to "faceroll easy content" (which, ironically, loses its faceroll status precisely because they fail to do that minimum amount of research).

[RiyahArp]

um NQ whites are worse than shire gear, I think. NQ gear in general is very bad when leveling, it's worse than the gear you get for dungeons. Like if you get the shisui set, nq gear is a downgrade, only HQ gear is a boost from that. There's a reason why every quest reward is HQ gear now, and why no one buys 350 nq gear.

And it actually is hard to gear up from bardams on, for some reason they seem to drop gear much more slowly. Like you get the guaranteed one piece, but when I lvled all my jobs to 70 bardams and on were very hard to get. Bardams in particular doesn't give gear from chests till the first boss I think. you end up outleveling the dungeons well before you get a full set.

I mean, you shouldn't be wearing all shire, just doing dungeons while leveling gives some, and some hq pieces are very cheap due to being common quest rewards. But they do need to work on gearing some at mid levels.

[kikix12]

um NQ whites are worse than shire gear, I think. NQ gear in general is very bad when leveling, it's worse than the gear you get for dungeons.

Of course it is worse than gear you get from dungeons. But if you put on gear that is a higher level, their "gimped" stats are still higher than the stats of the "superior" gears that are for lower levels.

Augmented Shire Custodian armor (ilvl270, lvl60 blue armor) have 480 defense, 480 magic defense, 169 strength, 190 vitality, 90 skill speed and 129 direct hit.
Doman Steel Tabard of Fending (ilvl279, lvl66 white armor) have 607 defense, 607 magic defense, 167 strength, 179 vitality, 99 skill speed and 142 tenacity.
Gazelleskin Coat of Fending (ilvl285, lvl68 white armor) have 723 defense, 723 magic defense, 176 strength, 182 vitality, 170 determination and 119 tenacity.

As you can see, at lvl66 the normal quality armor (you can buy from an NPC) is 25% better in defense and magical defense, only slightly lower in strength and only 11 points worse in vitality. Lvl68 normal quality armor (you can buy from NPC) is 50% better in defense and magical defense, 7 points higher in strength and only 8 points less in vitality. I won't compare secondary stats due to those being varied across multiple pieces and I compare only the body. And due to the fact that defense first and primary stats second are the ones really important. And starting at lvl66 at the latest, your performance will go up if you use NPC gear than augmented shire gear.

In other words...at lvl68 buy the gear for tank if you don't have it from earlier drops. At least for top, pants and weapon, even if just normal quality, if you're cheap. That will make a world of difference.

[Luin]

I saw a dark knight once with caster right side gear. I face palmed.

I had a healer in O5S this morning wearing Alexandrian Ring of Slaying. We still cleared, and honestly I thought it was hilarious, but it does remind me to check *before* the pull.

Needless to say I'm far more lenient on right-side gear, and I hope everyone is too. Not to say I wouldn't kick a tank wearing caster accessories, but I'd be fine with 255 NQ vendor accessories in Abania. Compared to HQ crafted accessories that's like 120 vit difference, and can basically be made up with Doma or HQ left-side.

um NQ whites are worse than shire gear, I think. NQ gear in general is very bad when leveling, it's worse than the gear you get for dungeons. Like if you get the shisui set, nq gear is a downgrade, only HQ gear is a boost from that. There's a reason why every quest reward is HQ gear now, and why no one buys 350 nq gear.

And it actually is hard to gear up from bardams on, for some reason they seem to drop gear much more slowly. Like you get the guaranteed one piece, but when I lvled all my jobs to 70 bardams and on were very hard to get. Bardams in particular doesn't give gear from chests till the first boss I think. you end up outleveling the dungeons well before you get a full set.

I mean, you shouldn't be wearing all shire, just doing dungeons while leveling gives some, and some hq pieces are very cheap due to being common quest rewards. But they do need to work on gearing some at mid levels.

um, no they aren't.

NQ white is an improvement over Shisui and Augmented Shire as soon as you hit 66. Once you hit Doma, there's no *valid* excuse to be in any Shisui or Augmented Shire left-side. Can you do those dungeons in full aug shire? Yeah, but it's a pain in the rear and you don't really need to. Just spend a little bit of gil and it'll go a heck of a lot faster and easier.

[Rongway]

um NQ whites are worse than shire gear, I think.

um, no they aren't.

Yes they are.

Augmented Shire Philosopher's Coat    Lv60    iLv270    169 int    171 vit
Kudzu Robe of Casting                 Lv64    iLv273    156 int    158 vit
Serge Gambison of Casting             Lv66    iLv279    167 int    161 vit
Twinsilk Coat of Casting              Lv68    iLv285    176 int    164 vit

Augmented Shire Custodian's Armor     Lv60    iLv270    169 str    190 vit    480 def
Tigerskin Coat of Fending             Lv64    iLv273    156 str    175 vit    490 def
Doman Steel Tabard of Fending         Lv66    iLv279    167 str    179 vit    607 def
Gazelleskin Coat of Fending           Lv68    iLv285    176 str    182 vit    723 def

Augmented Shire Gear is better than NQ whites until 68 for DDs/healers. Tanks get more defense from white gear but lower vitality.

[kikix12]

Augmented Shire Gear is better than NQ whites until 68 for DDs/healers. Tanks get more defense from white gear but lower vitality.

I won't do it for DPS/Healers, at least not for now, but I went ahead and checked the lvl66 gear against Augmented Shire for a tank.

Paladin lvl70. Full Augmented Shire (left side + shield), no accessories.
Against lvl58 Earth Sprite (no stance and no skill). Average damage dealt by me is ~490 out of 30 hits. Average damage dealt to me is ~565 out of 17 hits.
Against lvl67 Earth Sprite (Sword Stance, Clemency used 7 times). Average damage dealt by me is ~410 out of 128 hits. Average damage dealt to me is ~1790 out of 44 hits (one crit).
Paladin lvl70. Full Doman (lvl66) (left side + shield), no accessories.
Against lvl58 Earth Sprite (no stance and no skill). Average damage dealt by me is ~475 out of 31 hits. Average damage dealt to me is ~555 out of 15 hits.
Against lvl67 Earth Sprite (Sword Stance, Clemency used 8 times). Average damage dealt by me is ~385 out of 136 hits. Average damage dealt to me is ~1760 out of 45 hits.

I had to use clemency one more time against the lvl67 in doman gear because it did crit three times and Clemency healed about 300 less HP per cast, while it did crit me only once when in Shire gear. When it did crit me four times on an earlier attempt (in Doman gear), it did crit on me four times and the average damage received was 1790 like for Shire. I guess that if there was one crit in both, the difference would be ~70-100 damage or so per hit.

The difference in Stats is:
Augmented Shire: 29790HP, 7080MP, Strength 1204, Dexterity 280, Vitality 1392, Intelligence 174, Mind 291 for primary, Critical Hit 471, Determination 440, Direct Hit 662, 1204 Attack Power, 615 Skill Speed, 2286 both defenses, Attack Magic Potency 174, Healing Magic Potency 291, Spell Speed 364, Tenacity 731 and Piety 292.
Doman: 26701HP, 7080MP, Strength 1194, Dexterity 280, Vitality 1333, Intelligence 174, Mind 291 for primary, Critical Hit 619, Determination 495, Direct Hit 364, 1194 Attack Power, 822 Skill Speed, 2889 both defenses, Attack Magic Potency 174, Healing Magic Potency 291, Spell Speed 364, Tenacity 746 and Piety 292.

The HP advantage, at an average damage difference of 80, is about 38,6 hits. After that Doman gears defense is better.
In other words, Doman gear is MARGINALLY better for a tank, but I guess it would be more situational. If it is marginally better, then 58 is just plain better. The marginal difference is not necessarily valuable, especially since in the end there are direct hits, crits and wide range of damage variety in outgoing and incoming damage from attack to attack. I won't be checking the accessories effect either.

All in all...if you get a piece of gear for a tank from dungeon, equip it. If not wait till lvl68 to buy NPC gear since a potion or two when you wouldn't use any would generally bring a bigger difference than the Doman gear, I guess. And would be cheaper too.

For healers and DPS however there is another aspect to the equation. Yes, the damage seems to be slightly higher with Shire (at least for tanks, but red mages Shire weapon is superior to Doman weapon from the box, so the armor probably follow suits). However the bosses have AoE's, including unavoidable. And the DPS and healers defenses are already pretty low. If the players skills are good, they can mitigate a lot of incoming damage so it would not cause a problem, but I believe that for unskilled players, that extra defense may make a difference between a wipe on a boss and hard-won victory. Sure, it will take a little bit of time longer...but you won't die either. So it can go either way depending on players skills here.

[Hasrat]

I wonder if they made a mistake, having raid/level cap gear remaining superior for so long into each patch. On the one hand, sure, it's nice not needing to worry about gear for so long, through half the dungeons. But on the other hand, it does encourage the lazy mindset, and does produce the idea that "well, it's just a few more levels til the next cap, that's the gear that matters." Perhaps if they made it so Augmented Ironworks/Shire were more quickly outclassed, more players would recognize how they're holding themselves and party members back by not keeping gear on par.

[Sunako]

But the thing is, do you wanna bother gearing up if there is really low chance you even get those last 2 endgame dungeons from leveling roulette. 90% time you get something like Sastasha or something like that. I have leveled all my tanks and healers with ilvl 270 doing only one leveling roulette once a day. During heavesward i level all my tanks and healers with ilvl 130 doing only one leveling roulette once a day. You may get little more damage, but it is not anywhere near impossible.

[Iscah]

But the thing is, do you wanna bother gearing up if there is really low chance you even get those last 2 endgame dungeons from leveling roulette. 90% time you get something like Sastasha or something like that. I have leveled all my tanks and healers with ilvl 270 doing only one leveling roulette once a day.

Mostly I level through roulettes too, though at Lv69 I’ve been specifically queuing for Abania since it’s the only chance to run it and earn EXP (three runs = level up to 70) and I want those pretty weapon glamours, especially the arcanist’s grimoire. (I reckon they’ve deliberately put nice glamours in that dungeon for that exact reason - there’s very little chance of it coming up in someone’s roulette so they make sure people will keep queuing for it!)

[Nestama]

"A little more damage" is putting it lightly. Bardem's Mettle is when trash mobs equip daggers to their fists.