How is ilvl an issue while leveling?

[kikix12]

It's kind of a waste to buy vendor gear when you won't use it enough to do anything with it long term anyways. Especially if you don't have a good way of making gil.

High level set of gear costs how much?! ~120 000 gil in total?! Sorry, but how is that a lot when I don't even know from where I got two or three millions of gil since the time the houses were unlocked for private purchase, logging once every few days to finish a roulette or two and at best do Kojin and Ananta beast tribes?! And that doesn't even include whatever my retainer sells. I just sell whatever junk I get from those runs and do the beast tribes. And that's more than enough to get me enough gil to buy multiple sets lightly. Oh, and I have a retainer I sent on the 24h venture which I maybe actually accept twice or thrice a month. She brings some gil back with her in form of that purse or whatever that I can sell through her on the spot.

So yes. It's not a waste to have gear for those few runs before you reach the cap without causing issues to yourself and others in your party. Don't want to do it?! Go to a lower level dungeon and farm gear for free which you can pawn to the grand company once you're done.

Or level by beast tribes. It's 3-5 days per level using Ananta and Kojin from what I remember. No special gear required.

Or you can level exclusively through alliance, trials and 50/60 roulettes. These will never put you into a dungeon that your lvl60 augmented gear is too low for comfort until you are lvl70 and this becomes a non-issue with the class gear/hunt gear/tomestone gear etc.

[Colt47]

Well, not sure if this is what is being referred to here, but there is an issue with using POTD to level vs other means such as the DF. Since you get barely any money and no gear from POTD, you basically have to keep doing POTD until level 60 after you get past level 55, as the upgraded end game armor iLvL falls behind after that point. Not to mention I think we are about to hit another age of this with the next deep dungeon getting released in the following patch.

[kikix12]

At lvl50, 60 and 70 it is easy to get an acceptable gear (actually the best-in-slot for 50-55 and 60-~65) using poetics. Both the lvl50 and 60 gear CAN last till 60/70 respectively, if augmented, even for a tank and healer...but you're likely to get a gear drop here or there to upgrade along the way. Neither requires you to set a single foot into any gear-dependent party content.

It is also possible to buy NPC stuff.

One can get high level gear for tomestones at lvl70, or at least ilvl310 from easy-to-get hunts. That gear is cheap and the Centurio Seals are much easier to come across than the lower-level seals, and gives quite decent experience on its own, too.


In other words, the problem is with people not caring to put a "decent" piece of gear even if that decent gear is basically effortless to get.

[Talraen]

Well, not sure if this is what is being referred to here, but there is an issue with using POTD to level vs other means such as the DF. Since you get barely any money and no gear from POTD, you basically have to keep doing POTD until level 60 after you get past level 55, as the upgraded end game armor iLvL falls behind after that point. Not to mention I think we are about to hit another age of this with the next deep dungeon getting released in the following patch.

Leveling in PotD definitely adds to this problem, but it's not the lone contributor. I leveled most of my secondary classes from 60-70 through a combination of roulettes (primarily leveling) and daily hunt exp, and as a result my gear would get few upgrades from what it was at level 60. The game likes to give me no 61+ leveling roulettes until I'm level 69 on a tank and then gives me that one. (At which point I immediately apologize to the party for what's about to happen, lol.) Eventually I stopped queuing for leveling roulette about level 65 or so just to avoid this. Sure, I could just buy or craft level-appropriate gear, but it makes little difference for any case except getting an appropriate level dungeon in leveling roulette. The incentives to stay current really aren't there for any leveling method other than spamming the appropriate dungeon.

[kikix12]

The game likes to give me no 61+ leveling roulettes until I'm level 69 on a tank and then gives me that one. (At which point I immediately apologize to the party for what's about to happen, lol.) Eventually I stopped queuing for leveling roulette about level 65 or so just to avoid this. Sure, I could just buy or craft level-appropriate gear, but it makes little difference for any case except getting an appropriate level dungeon in leveling roulette.

Leveling roulette is worth it one time a day. Sure, you can level using only it like I did for quite some levels doing one dungeon run a day. However, most people actually run more dungeons in one go, especially tanks and healers. At that point, once you are done with leveling roulette, alliance roulette and possibly 50-60 roulette, what you should do to level is spam the highest level dungeon you are comfortable with doing which will give you some upgrades. Don't use roulette past the first time a day if you care about experience. That's a waste of time.

[Talraen]

Leveling roulette is worth it one time a day. Sure, you can level using only it like I did for quite some levels doing one dungeon run a day. However, most people actually run more dungeons in one go, especially tanks and healers. At that point, once you are done with leveling roulette, alliance roulette and possibly 50-60 roulette, what you should do to level is spam the highest level dungeon you are comfortable with doing which will give you some upgrades. Don't use roulette past the first time a day if you care about experience. That's a waste of time.

My point is that I was not inclined to level at the maximum possible rate. One of each relevant roulette per day plus hunts was all I did. Yes, the fastest way to level involves spamming the highest-level dungeon (and I ended up doing that on my last few tanks and healers). But if "fast" isn't your goal, doing nothing but roulettes and other side content works quite well, and offers very little incentive to keep up your gear.

[RLofOBFL]

It is Ironically far worse to be under level while levelling. Classes gain an immense amount of defense. 270 tank body piece for example is 480 defense, whereas the 288 drop from Abanium is 868. Compare that to the 290 being 911 and 370 being 1139.

[Raven2014]

Item levels are something you worry about once you hit max level. Out of all the complaints I've seen about this game, this one is by far the weirdest.
What am I missing here?

What you missing is playing a healer trying to heal a severely under-geared tank, wipe, and got kicked.

Source: me playing SCH, running lvl69 castrum dungeon, tank died several times a long the way, and we wiped twice on the last boss. DPS started berating me for "not knowing how to heal". When I point out that the tank is in a full set lvl60 gear, (The SB crafted 60, not the poetic 60), the tank went like "I'm poor don't judge me" and the ignorant DPSs start wailing about "his gears is fine you just don't know how to heal!". After a couple mins I was booted out.


Granted, that was the ONLY time I was kicked from a party for that reason, but I lost count how many time I have to burst my arse healing an undergear tank. Under gear DPS is a problem too, because it can mean something mobs are still up after the tank/healer already run out of cool down and MP. Under-geared healer is bad too, although less severe. Do-able? Yes. But by no mean enjoyable.

[hynaku]

This same thing has happened to me few times to. That's why I won't heal anymore when I use duty finder. I have seen to many tanks under geared and they blame the healer when they die. Then they kick you because they get mad because they keep dying because of being under geared and not dodging aoe attacks. First time got kicked tank took 2 hits from normal mobs and died before could cast one heal spell. Then checked his gear he had a lot caster and healer gear equipped not tank gear.

[Vstarstruck]

What you missing is playing a healer trying to heal a severely under-geared tank, wipe, and got kicked.

Source: me playing SCH, running lvl69 castrum dungeon, tank died several times a long the way, and we wiped twice on the last boss. DPS started berating me for "not knowing how to heal". When I point out that the tank is in a full set lvl60 gear, (The SB crafted 60, not the poetic 60), the tank went like "I'm poor don't judge me" and the ignorant DPSs start wailing about "his gears is fine you just don't know how to heal!". After a couple mins I was booted out.


Granted, that was the ONLY time I was kicked from a party for that reason, but I lost count how many time I have to burst my arse healing an undergear tank. Under gear DPS is a problem too, because it can mean something mobs are still up after the tank/healer already run out of cool down and MP. Under-geared healer is bad too, although less severe. Do-able? Yes. But by no mean enjoyable.

Why I said this:

People are tried of dealing with drama with people (one person sometimes to defend them "Oh it is not savage it is not a big deal" "Oh do not be elitist over gear despite the person being oneshoted by unlovable damage") with those that are clearly not ready to be in dungeon (insert name)

It is amazing how often people defend this crap. That is a big reason people want change because they are hard to kick at times because people do not understand the game.