Living Dead

[Luin]

First time I ever used living dead was on 06s for the tornado. :P

You should have also used it for Head-On.

Well said. People complain about LD, but often forget holmgang gets the same treatment in lower end content. Ever try holmgang in a dungeon? More often than not will end up in death.

Holmgang is awful on trash but only because it binds you and 90% of the time something will AOE you at the worst possible moment.

And dungeons don't matter so they obviously aren't the discussion here.

Am I the only one who expects Living Dead to be redesigned as of the 4.3 DRK changes?

You really shouldn't, for 2 big reasons.

1, Living Dead doesn't define DRK's "strength". Even if Living Dead was suddenly Hallowed Ground, DRK would still be the odd-out. It'd be a buff, yes, but not enough and wouldn't fix drk's lack of identity. Obviously DRK would be used and I'm sure it would at least be popular for 8S, but you arent addressing PLD/WAR synergy in most other content. If this was the change, then it would be especially strong in content with lots of strong tankbusters, but not much else, and we already see DRK/WAR being used for that content.

2, going by trends (legacy, paladin, warrior), it takes SqE about 4 years to fix stuff. This would be a year early.

[Hierro]

You should have also used it for Head-On.

And dungeons don't matter so they obviously aren't the discussion here.

I'm glad you see it that way! My entire point is that people complaining about LD failing them in lower end content is stupid because none of that content matters in the first place. If LD is fine in higher end content, then ultimately it's fine, period.

[Saeno]

I'm glad you see it that way! My entire point is that people complaining about LD failing them in lower end content is stupid because none of that content matters in the first place. If LD is fine in higher end content, then ultimately it's fine, period.

I agree with your ladder point but when you use the word "failing" and then say it's fine, well no that isn't fine at all. Even if skills are going to be pretty bad in lower end content, they shouldn't "fail" because at that point the skill should be changed to something else so it works for both raids and other content. Similar to shake it off.

[Hierro]

I agree with your ladder point but when you use the word "failing" and then say it's fine, well no that isn't fine at all. Even if skills are going to be pretty bad in lower end content, they shouldn't "fail" because at that point the skill should be changed to something else so it works for both raids and other content. Similar to shake it off.

then we might as well buff holmgang to better suit dungeons, eh?

[Aisenheim]

The skill is not good. It is the "IN CASE OF FIRE BREAK THE CRYSTAL" Sort of scenario. It completely draws the healer's attention, it requires to set up a macro for the sake of letting the healer know "Hey I am going to die unless you pick up the healing", and it is not something you can use strategically like the Paladin HG. You only use it when things are looking grim, and by that point chances are ... you are going to die 3/5 times if the healer is not able to catch up. It is just not a useful proactive skills, it is just reactive for when shit hit the fan compared to the other tanks that can use their level 50 Skills in a more versatile manner for a wide variety of scenarios, and if you are tanking properly and the healer is doing its job, the level 50 skill will sit there like a pretty decoration rarely being used. Whoever is saying Living Dead is fine... he or she is not playing a Dark Knight I am pretty sure.

[Izsha]

Like so many skills in this game, LD has the conundrum of being perfectly fine in organized groups doing top level content and unreliable junk in most other things. Use it in an 8 or 24 man DF? Probably just going to die. Go in a 4 man with 1 healer that isn't on their A game? Probably gonna die. Go with your static into (insert savage tier) and make it part of your defensive plan and you can make it do wonders and really get a lot of value.

For whatever reason SE has decided to set the game balance around the top end content instead of the lower tiers of stuff like dungeons, 24 mans, and other middle or lower tier content. Is that the right philosophy? probably not. But it is a practical one to just look at 1 set to standardize instead of balancing the trip to 70, 4 man overgeared on day 1 dungeons, 24 mans, savage, old level 50/60 content, hunts, eureka, and everything else. The top down view isn't always pretty, but it is practical.

[Hierro]

The top down view isn't always pretty, but it is practical.

Well said. People complain about LD, but often forget holmgang gets the same treatment in lower end content. Ever try holmgang in a dungeon? More often than not will end up in death.

[Cabalabob]

Well said. People complain about LD, but often forget holmgang gets the same treatment in lower end content. Ever try holmgang in a dungeon? More often than not will end up in death.

The difference here is the WAR themself can do something about it, they can go into defiance, berserk/inner release + inner beast spam, equilibrium, thrill of battle, hell even storm’s path. All they need is to not be at 1 hp after it wears off and they’re safe. A dark knight CANNOT save themself from living dead, no amount of grit + souleater is recovering you to full hp and it would take a pretty large pull for abyssal drain to cover it. So it is entirely in the hands of another player that might not even understand the move to save the DRK and that is where living dead goes from difficult to use to requiring co-ordination that you simply won’t have.

[Hierro]

they can go into defiance, berserk/inner release + inner beast spam, equilibrium, thrill of battle, hell even storm’s path

....You cool, man?

[Tint]

today i just died again after Walking Dead was wearing off, i was at 50% life... just do something SE, this skill is ridiculous!