[dev1033] Ideas for a Two-Tier Class System: Jobs on Top of Weapon Specializations

[Anathiel]

I don't think it's so simple, as long as you would need additional requirements (like quests) to unlock the job in FFXIV instead of just leveling in a specific way

I agree, in fact I believe the OP adresses the issue of using the FF:T method of job progression/getting advanced jobs.

[Cairdeas]

I agree, in fact I believe the OP adresses the issue of using the FF:T method of job progression/getting advanced jobs.

We should all Like the first few posts by Carpe in this thread. Ignore liking my posts on the front page. :P

[Anathiel]

I already did lol, first thing I did when I got to work xD

[Nuru]

Like x1,000,000,000!

This is a very detailed explanation of a similar idea i had in mind, but even better than the one I had myself. IU would be very very happy to see this in game. :3

[Reiku]

I definitely like this solution to class uniqueness, etc.

Like you said though I think that many abilities (particularly magic spells) need to be shifted around.

Also, we've mentioned summoner and beastmaster. Also for classes such as bard or dancer. They'd really not benefit from any existing weapon classes. And would need multiple new weapon classes introduced for each new title like this.

Such as, along with bard title they'd have to introduce multiple instrument weapon classes (with their own strengths). Maybe wind instruments (more buffs), percussion (more debuffs), string (resource regen). These are all quick examples with little thought.

But any class that they implement that aren't typical weapon with magic combo would need to come along with multiple weapon classes to have the same depth as the other titles.

(Random input) Hybrid classes like RDM in particular could have all -potency on everything, but less -potency then all other classes. So they are always more effective than classes that should not have cure (DRK/GLA), but they are always less effective than pure set ups (WHM/CON). Just a thought in keeping hybrids from being too powerful and making it so RDM/CON isn't always pure heals/casting because their efficiency with healing is just as good as pures. I don't know just a thought in ways to keep hybrids as supporting jack-of-all-trades with slight specialization, as opposed to being a master/completely efficient at any role of their choosing.

Also how would crafting classes be handled? It'd be interesting to see how they'd handle titles with them.

[Cryste]

I like this idea and believe that implementing it with a bit more complexity in regards to how spells and abilities favor certain titles/classes it would mesh seamlessly with the current system. I also would like to see a quest introducing you to the lore surrounding the specific title for each one; not to challenge the player but to give him/her an idea of what their role is. Later events in the title 'quest chain' should of course test the players skill.

[Nuru]

I have also been thinking that Daggers should have had their own class. That alone was indeed a let-down for me, since I really really love Thief, and the cultural theme of Eorzea is just perfect for Thief Attire.

[Reiku]

Also people would be grouping together based off their weapon class rank I presume? Which would dictate HP etc?

Some thought would have to go into this and stat distribution, as I've seen a few of you post on thus far, but no clear way of doing this has been said yet.

[northernsky]

Also people would be grouping together based off their weapon class rank I presume? Which would dictate HP etc?

Some thought would have to go into this and stat distribution, as I've seen a few of you post on thus far, but no clear way of doing this has been said yet.

Yeah this has been discussed in the first few pages after some comments so I think the proposal has evolved a bit.

From what I understand, you are right, you would group with people with a similar base, weapon class rank.
The title/job would be a bonus to certain stats (with new abilities) that would define your role. This title would be unlockable at a given rank (say 30) and would have several tiers linked to your base weapon class rank, within each tier you could unlock a number of traits or abilities.

[Anathiel]

Also people would be grouping together based off their weapon class rank I presume? Which would dictate HP etc?

Some thought would have to go into this and stat distribution, as I've seen a few of you post on thus far, but no clear way of doing this has been said yet.

In my mind yes, but I'm not carpe he might have thought of something else. But to me your title would be something that leveled with your weapon skill. Get rid of physical level, make stat distribution static on weapon class equipped with your title stat bonuses being able to be chosen when reaching the next tier of advancement. We all know gladiator will be a tankingclass due to shield, but if you gave the option at certain intervals of leveling to specialize your stat point allotment then supplement those stat choices with percentage-type bonuses chosen through the advanced title leveling, you create a way to change the way certain advance titles and base weapon classes would level or group.

That's just the first thought off the top of my head, if you could think of a better system by all means post it lol, I hadn't really thought about how people would group for content using this sytem, and also stat allolcation depending on when you do get your advanced title.

EDIT: actuallly I don't see why you couldn't allocate your skill points as you do now, but with the title system just being used to enhance the stats you have with any equipped class. It still raaises the question do you get rid of physical level though?