[dev1033] Ideas for a Two-Tier Class System: Jobs on Top of Weapon Specializations

[Carpe]

Moreover, there are important MMO games in development, where they are removing the idea of triad (=tank/DPS/healer) and the most valuable aspect is “they are fun”. We can develop challenges even if everyone is able to cover a role, in a different style.

I don't think DD/TANK/healer will come out as you think. This is true only if SE decides to add content where we need a tank, a dps and an healer.

I'm also interested in learning more about these games that are getting rid of roles like "tank", "healer", "dps". I guess I don't see how these kind of roles like "tank", "healer", "dps" are avoidable. Just having an ability like "provoke" in the game suggests a tank role to some extent because why would you "provoke" if you weren't in some way capable of dealing with the attack better than those you are preventing the monster from hitting.

Only certain builds in this system would be like a very optimized "tank", "healer", "dps", you can have more hybrid builds that don't fall at the extremes of the tank/healer/dps spectrum.

If nobody had any definition whatsoever I think there would just be really confusing/inefficient combat. Everybody trying to heal someone that got damaged, so they get overhealed. Everybody pulling aggro off each other playing "pickle" with the mob. Maybe I'm not thinking about it in the right way, lol.

[Akumu]

I'm also interested in learning more about these games that are getting rid of roles like "tank", "healer", "dps". I guess I don't see how these kind of roles like "tank", "healer", "dps" are avoidable. Just having an ability like "provoke" in the game suggests a tank role to some extent because why would you "provoke" if you weren't in some way capable of dealing with the attack better than those you are preventing the monster from hitting.

Only certain builds in this system would be like a very optimized "tank", "healer", "dps", you can have more hybrid builds that don't fall at the extremes of the tank/healer/dps spectrum.

If nobody had any definition whatsoever I think there would just be really confusing/inefficient combat. Everybody trying to heal someone that got damaged, so they get overhealed. Everybody pulling aggro off each other playing "pickle" with the mob. Maybe I'm not thinking about it in the right way, lol.

This may help... http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...-wars-2-Videos

scroll and you will see it later in the thread. About a bit after halfway down.

Another reason GW2 have my attention.

[Cairdeas]

This may help... http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...-wars-2-Videos

scroll and you will see it later in the thread. About a bit after halfway down.

Another reason GW2 have my attention.

FFXI got rid of the triad system long ago.

Tank, Healer, DD, Crowd Control/Enmity Control, Buffer, Puller were all dedicated party roles, some were shared by hybrid classes but they had lots of different uses.

Implementing the Job System would allow those things to return.