How can you continue to ignore monk completely?

[Tigerlilley]

Every single other class who gave feedback is getting buffs, redesigns, nice changes.

Monk literally has had ZERO new abilities aside from off gcds, ZERO changes in rotation since 2.0, SE takes away our dot management and slows down the class with a heavy debuff and gives the excuse "in case players are stressed".

Are you freaking serious?

Every other melee class has gages, new abilities, new rotation, Summoner is BUSY as heck and you think monks 6 gcd plodding rotation is stressful?

At this point it seems clear SE is intent to keep monk as boring and unrewarding as possible so everyone can switch to Samurai. One IlM punch is literally insulting, as is Arm of the Destroyer, why are these even still in the game? Tackle Mastery could have been interesting, but it's useless. Riddle of Fire is horrible, everyone hates it, and SE says "Yeah we were going to give you Greased Lightning 4 but just jokes, have a 5% party buff you barely will benefit from".

[Tigerlilley]

Edit: mods seem to be moderating this thread so this comment no longer makes sense. Editing for clarification.

Let's try and have a constructive job design discussion.

[Pence]

You find MNK boring and unrewarding...

Perhaps don't play it?.....Simple solutions to a simple problem.

[venom_nz]

Making a job unrewarding and "go play another melee" is not an answer.
Their idea behind Stormblood was that you should be able to play any role job without too much consequence.
They also said they wanted to decrease the difference between "casual" players and "elite" players.
I don't see much of this actually implemented with Stormblood at all.
Players (globally) being unhappy with current Monk is evident with the question asked in the Live Letter itself. The player-base is unhappy with it fullstop, there is no denying that.
Their excuses for not making changes are weak at best, and only a "trust us, there's nothing wrong with your job at the moment, all the feedback we have is negligible" excuse is a poor response.

They don't even necessarily need to "buff" monks per se, but at least make it fun again to play.

Someone on Reddit suggested these points which actually makes quite good sense:

• Remove the five second cooldown on Forbidden Chakra.
• Just get rid of Tackle Mastery and replace it with something that doesn't suck. - This is actually another useless skill Monks were "given".
• Have Brotherhood affect the caster.
• Have the chakra generation during Brotherhood be proc'd from weaponskills AND spell casting.
• Make Riddle of Earth refresh your GL timer on use instead of on-damage.
• Revert the potency nerfs on most of the Monk GCDs. Why was this even necessary? Mnk still does less damage than Sam and about the same as Nin yet has a whole bunch less utility.

And note that they said Ninjas got a small nerf, but it's not that huge to warrant such a small disparity between it and Monks.

[Tigerlilley]

Tackle Mastery was a nice idea poorly implemented. Someone else mentioned that it felt like a PVP skill that just doesn't work in PVE.
Riddle of Earth was a GREAT idea but.... why the need to take damage for it to work? In casual content this means purposefully running into ground/mob AOEs in attempt to not lose stacks.

[Berethos]

Players (globally) being unhappy with current Monk is evident with the question asked in the Live Letter itself. The player-base is unhappy with it fullstop, there is no denying that.

Considering the question in the Live Letter was specific to Riddle of Fire and how the change in speed feels...

That's a Dragoon level leap you just made to use it as "proof" that players are unhappy with Monk as a whole.

[venom_nz]

Considering the question in the Live Letter was specific to Riddle of Fire and how the change in speed feels...

That's a Dragoon level leap you just made to use it as "proof" that players are unhappy with Monk as a whole.

Being a question in Live Letter itself is "proof". What other proof would you like? Would you like me to show you all the posts/threads globally about it?
Have you even played Monk? Do you even understand why Riddle of Fire even came up as an issue then?
If you don't have anything constructive to add about the discussion, possibly just not reply at all, to lessen the risk of sounding like a fool.

[Tigerlilley]

It's weird that everyone who doesn't play monk seems to have such negative opinions about the class. There was a thread on this forum earlier about having empathy for jobs that had been trashed, I guess everyone forgot about that.

[Berethos]

Being a question in Live Letter itself is "proof". What other proof would you like?

It's proof that the person that asked the question doesn't like how it makes the job feel slower when they like the Monk for its speed.

Using it as "proof" for anything else, including a general sense of dislike of Monk's current status overall by Monk players as a whole, is a massive stretch beyond the clear and obvious intent of the question from the live letter.

Let the actual feedback on the forums and Reddit serve as proof for that, instead of trying to shoehorn a greater sense of "importance" on a specific question. In your haste to act all high-n-mighty you apparently missed that I'm not suggesting there aren't issues and that Monk players as a whole are unhappy with the current state of the job, just that using one very specific question about a specific issue as "proof" of something bigger is, simply put, a mistake - especially when one simply has to look for the additional feedback on other issues to find that proof.

Also, yes I have played Monk - it's quite a fun job to play, and I look forward to taking it from it's current level of 60 to 70.

Finally, chill with the self-righteous attitude. You'll just end up embarrassing yourself if you continue like that.

[Mikhaill]

Being a question in Live Letter itself is "proof". What other proof would you like? Would you like me to show you all the posts/threads globally about it?
Have you even played Monk? Do you even understand why Riddle of Fire even came up as an issue then?
If you don't have anything constructive to add about the discussion, possibly just not reply at all, to lessen the risk of sounding like a fool.

You need to chill.