Minimum iLvl - Leveling Dungeons

[InkstainedGwyn]

Honestly, I think the only minimum requirement that needs to be added is for weapon ilevel. As long as your weapon is up to par, you can get away with a lot of stuff.

Yes and no. Bardam's Mettle - had a bard in there in sky pirate gear. You know, the white stuff you put on to even try to start running the 60 dungeons so you could get your scripture for Shire gear? He thought he was good enough to dodge everything (and with the second boss, sure, that's fine), but I knew there was trouble when we hit the group of bird trash mobs in the second part and the big one did his wind AOE and the bard just... dropped. Full health -> nothing. He wasn't rolling on gear, either. I ended up with a piece of aiming gear because I greed everything, trusting people who need gear to actually... well... need it. Needless to say, final boss trashed him twice in immediate succession with his wind AOE and Flutterfall and at that point it was worth more to me to keep my mana to keep up the tank and the other DPS, so I left him on the floor for the rest of the fight. He had a shisui weapon, so the DPS wasn't terrible, but he couldn't handle the damage.

And the end of the day you could put requirements all you want, if you choose to willingy group up with randoms you gonna risk in to getting such situations.

If the game already has measures in place to gate people (and it does, with ilvl requirements in 50/60/70 dungeons, as well as already level-gating in levelling dungeons) then "people are just gonna be dicks, you signed up for it" really shouldn't be applicable. They already limit so much of what we do so that we don't 'inconvenience' other players, this seems like such a massive oversight.

[Mhaeric]

Honestly, I think the only minimum requirement that needs to be added is for weapon ilevel. As long as your weapon is up to par, you can get away with a lot of stuff. If your weapon is bad, even with really good gear elsewhere, you're not going to perform up to par. I will always remember the BRD who did so little damage in Baelsar's wall despite doing okay with the rotation and having i250-260 gear in every slot except their weapon because it was only i190. That was a painfully slow run that could have been avoided with a single item upgrade. It didn't help either that the BRD took offense to being told they should upgrade their weapon since their damage was low. Their response was their ilevel was well above the minimum needed. Well, yes, but your damage is being gutted because your weapon is so much lower than the rest of your gear.

[HyoMinPark]

Honestly, I think the only minimum requirement that needs to be added is for weapon ilevel. As long as your weapon is up to par, you can get away with a lot of stuff. If your weapon is bad, even with really good gear elsewhere, you're not going to perform up to par.

Yes, and no. If you are a tank, your gear should also be up to par because of the defense attribute (and vitality). Healers and DPS, yeah you can kind of get away with only your weapon being on level, and the rest 5~7 levels below the dungeon’s level, but for tanks it’s equally as important that your left side (at the least) be relatively close to your current level, and your weapon. Weapon is most important for holding hate/damage; gear is most important for surviving/not making your healer absolutely hate you.

[Derio]

It needs to be addressed. This is why I avoid leveling roulette as much as possible because of there being no minimum iLvl. And when it comes to ARR content it is really bad because it feels like there are no minimum ilvl requirements, only your actual level requirements.

[Yenyen]

EDIT - And it should go without saying that we should also start requiring jobs in the Duty Finder for all content higher than 30.

I stumbled upon a 45 without a job didn't have a clue about them, pretty happy when I pointed it out xD

[Yasminou]

If leveling dungeons had a minimul ilvl, there would be a problem with the leveling roulette, which already appears in the trial, lv. 50/60 and alliance raid roulettes: people would be able to make the game select Sastasha, Ifrit and all the other low-level duties by queuing almost naked. There is no need to make the roulette choose Sastasha more often than it already does...

I understand the need for a minimum item level for these dungeons. I just cannot find a satisfying solution because of the roulette.

[Paladinleeds]

I just cannot find a satisfying solution because of the roulette.

Game works out the best ilvl you have with your gear (including in retainers/saddlebag). When you queue for the roulette, it works out what you can do based on the gear you have. It will then force you into your best ilvl gear (unless you queue as a pre-made). Pulling out from the retainer and saddlebag if needed. There ya go, people can't just force Sastasha etc, and you can put min ilvl requirements in.

[Yasminou]

Game works out the best ilvl you have with your gear (including in retainers/saddlebag). When you queue for the roulette, it works out what you can do based on the gear you have. It will then force you into your best ilvl gear (unless you queue as a pre-made). Pulling out from the retainer and saddlebag if needed. There ya go, people can't just force Sastasha etc, and you can put min ilvl requirements in.

You say "there ya go" as if it were easy for the game to juggle with the retainers' inventories, the saddle bag and the arsenal.
Furthermore, people could fill all of these (and equip low-level stuff) so that there is no room for the best gear to be moved an equipped.

[Paladinleeds]

You say "there ya go" as if it were easy for the game to juggle with the retainers' inventories, the saddle bag and the arsenal.
Furthermore, people could fill all of these (and equip low-level stuff) so that there is no room for the best gear to be moved an equipped.

It would swap the positions. So if they filled it all with low level stuff so the gear couldn't be moved, it wouldn't affect it as it would just swap the position (it'd be based on best gear you have, and if people are that willing to delete gear just to avoid it, so be it). If it really came to be it, you could have it so it charged them gil (allowing them to go into negative gil if needed so they can't just empty out their gil to get around it, and it'd work like a loan with interest, and if you accrue too much debt your character gets deleted), in order to remove the currently equipped gear from the game (without reimbursement) and replace it with better gear in levelling duties. I didn't say it'd be easy, and I wasn't attempting to imply it would be with that remark, I was attempting to say "Here's a solution."

[InkstainedGwyn]

If leveling dungeons had a minimul ilvl, there would be a problem with the leveling roulette, which already appears in the trial, lv. 50/60 and alliance raid roulettes: people would be able to make the game select Sastasha, Ifrit and all the other low-level duties by queuing almost naked. There is no need to make the roulette choose Sastasha more often than it already does...

I understand the need for a minimum item level for these dungeons. I just cannot find a satisfying solution because of the roulette.

I'm sure it would require too much code, but they could tie ilvl to char level and not allow you to queue if you don't have minimum ilvl for the highest level dungeon you're of-level to enter.

And I'm not saying the ilvl needs to be ridiculous, it can be super-forgiving. Just something to keep people out of level 40+ dungeons in their starter gear/the level 15 gear they get from the Hall of the Novice. (Or Bardam's Mettle in i185 ><)