Minimum iLvl - Leveling Dungeons

[Luin]

As in, why *isn't* there a minimum ilvl requirement for leveling dungeons? (Will talk about ARR content later), tldr at bottom.

I'm not asking for i270 for Sirensong.

I'm asking to not have i120 tank in Doma. Not to have an i200 in Sirensong. Not to have i110 in The Vault.

With gear so poor, you are an active detriment to your party. This isn't a single player game.

With the constant gear treadmill in the Main Story Quest, there's no legitimate reason to NOT be at an acceptable ilvl. They even force you to go out of your way to increase ilvl extremely early during the MSQ, and in your later jobs, you have the resources to gear through alternative means.

Gear so poor either makes the dungeon impossible to complete (in the time allotted, in most cases) in the case of a tank or healer, or as a dps, it makes you worthless. A healer should not be auto-attacking for more than your damage, your "effort" doesn't matter, your effort should have been placed into acquiring proper gear. The mobs don't care if you're "trying your best", they aren't magically going to take more damage. You should have tried your best at the Market Board or at the NPC vendor that sells level appropriate gear.

As for ARR content, it has a different issue. Due to lack of early-game funds and low level accessories, you can't just slap ilvl requirements onto ARR dungeons. Instead I ask for different fix. DoW/All Class gear. Tanks are not educated and the game isn't forcing them to use proper gear. If you go into Brayflox or Stone Vigil with DoW gear, you are going to get wrecked.

When I went into Stone Vigil in Level 40 NQ tank vendortrash, I had 393 defense, including the Brand-New Ring. Now if I went in with DoW gear of the same level, I'd have 192. Less than half. Unacceptable, has to be fixed. This problem has not gone away with time, there are still new tanks that think this is okay gear. If you don't force them to use the right gear, they wont.

TLDR

I'm not asking for people to have gear equal to the ilvl the dungeon drops.

I'm asking for ilvl equal to what the vendor sells at the level of the dungeon's unlock (or equal to the prior dungeon's gear drops)

If you don't have the gil to afford vendortrash, go do fates, sidequests, or leves to get the paltry sum required. You aren't the judge to declare your time more valuable than that of 3 other people.

EDIT - And it should go without saying that we should also start requiring jobs in the Duty Finder for all content higher than 30.

[Charred]

I've never experienced that. Thought, you have same requirements to get duty, as it's normal mode, otherwise you won't get it.
First thing I do in the evening, is queuing myself in Sastasha gear and test what I'll get.

[Fhaerron]

If anything it keeps me awake.

While I was lvl-ing my healer I frequently got into Aurum Vale with a DRK that just had that lvl 30 armor stuff, not even had armor in all his slots and also saw intellect accesoires that was equip able by all jobs.

I'd never let him die though, but there was not much time I could actually DPS.

[Reinha]

One problem with ARR leveling gear is that the "Recommended Gear" button chooses DoW gear with higher offensive stats over lower level tank gear which would have more physical and magical defense. That's a pretty big newbie trap.

[Luin]

One problem with ARR leveling gear is that the "Recommended Gear" button chooses DoW gear with higher offensive stats over lower level tank gear which would have more physical and magical defense. That's a pretty big newbie trap.

It'll also pick caster gear. I think it looks only at ilvl.

[Noshpan]

I've never experienced that. Thought, you have same requirements to get duty, as it's normal mode, otherwise you won't get it.
First thing I do in the evening, is queuing myself in Sastasha gear and test what I'll get.

I have. Hell, I remember soulbinding groups going into Crystal Tower & switching to vendor trash gear (using Crafting/Gathering).

[Luin]

I have. Hell, I remember soulbinding groups going into Crystal Tower & switching to vendor trash gear (using Crafting/Gathering).

Oh boy, I forget, was this before the Vote Kick was added?

[Zojha]

It'll also pick caster gear. I think it looks only at ilvl.

It doesn't look "only" at iLvL: If you're a tank and wear the old i270 STR rings, it'll put i230 VIT rings as recommended.

So there has to be more to it. But I don't think armor is a factor.

That said... yeah. Min iLvL is kinda necessary. It doesn't happen often that someone comes unprepared, but it's a pain if it does.

[AppleJinx]

One of the reasons why sometimes I wish I could speak japanese which will allow me to play on the japanese DCs since they are a lot self conscious about not dragging a group down over there.

[Luin]

One of the reasons why sometimes I wish I could speak japanese which will allow me to play on the japanese DCs since they are a lot self conscious about not dragging a group down over there.

Be the change you want to see. JP DC has other problems. Jerks exist in all races and speak all languages.