New Loot System for Raids from 4.3 on

[TaiyoShikasu]

Lockout existed under the previous system where there was no backlash. That argument is weak, stop using it.

There's already many claims of people running it and losing out on gear to people who don't have the job leveled or even unlocked, so there goes the whole "You'll only be rolling against one maybe two people," because you're rolling against seven.

Even on the Japanese forums where people myself included said is where the idea for this system came from are baffled by it.

The purpose of a catch up patch is to help people catch up and one viable way of catching up was with 24-man raids which is now no longer viable.

[Blanchimont]

Er... if someone passes, and rolls a 0, then they're not competition...

If people are rolling for anything and everything, then they're going to lock themselves out of the weekly loot and possibly get stuck with something they can't even use.
They then remove themselves from the competition.

A pass is still a roll of 0. As long as they have not claimed an item for the week, you are still rolling against them because "Greed" is essentially a roll of up to 99 whereas "Need" is a roll of 100-198. Need is what limits your competition as your class determines who you are rolling against.

[zuzu-bq]

It's not bad, but not good either. If anything people been playing a bit more geared on the alliance now.

I think the issue is bigger than how the loot is rolled. How the loot tables are spread and how many items we drop per boss is what causes issues on both old and new systems.

[Wyndam]

Adding my complaint to the pile.

I had held out hope that this would be specifically tied to using the Alliance Roulette. In that context it makes sense, if you queue in for an Alliance Roulette you're probably not there for the gear.

As is, this feels like someone who has never actually dealt with loot distribution decided Greed only was a good idea.

[caaam]

This system is bad, it encourages people to not play the jobs they want gear for.

I would like to have the tanking set, but because the queues are far longer for tanks there is little reason I should queue as a tank. Preferably, I don't steal loot from somebody else, but this system sets me up for disappointment and frustration if I work against it.

I considered asking at the start if anybody will be rolling against me. If someone was then I would leave the party and accept my 30 minute penalty (instead of 45+ minutes). However, this is letting others take advantage of the system and my time.

So I will be queuing as a DPS and stealing other peoples loot. When an unlucky individual gets upset, I will direct them here to complain.

[Machka]

7 different gear sets, of which each person is only after one of.
Statistically you'll only ever be rolling against 1 other person. Maybe 2, may be none!

This assumption is incorrect, and it's where the premise of your argument falls apart. People aren't necessarily after only one set. Reality has already shown this to be the case in Lighthouse.

For example, there are pieces from 3 different sets that I'm interested in loot from. Some for upgrades, some for glamour. Since none of them are for my main (tank), I don't really care what order I get them in either. So given the now worse chances of winning loot, on top of the rng of the pieces I want appearing in the first place, I'll roll on any of those pieces whenever I see them. The weekly lockout does not discourage this - in fact, it encourages it, since there's a chance that if I hold out, I'll end up not seeing/winning any of the pieces I want this week.

[krazykrusnik]

I fail to see how this could have been seen as a good idea. Just ran through the Rabanastre on my samurai and lost out to boots that would have been an upgrade for me(just hit 70 the other night and kinda scrambling for better gear) and myself as well as the other sam in the party lost on the roll to a caster.

I feel the idea is horribly flawed, the old system worked just fine for ARR/HW. Yeah people may have had trouble getting gear for other classes but either they suck it up and hope rng works out in their favor or they hope the rest of their group is feeling generous. From what I've seen in the past most groups are pretty cool about it if the person asks early enough in advance.

[Alistaire]

This is even worse for those people that have several characters and don't put as much work into gearing those alts.

Please undo this change asap.

[ed3891]

I'm not sure what the rationalization was in making this change to the 24-man alliance raids. General understanding was that these raids are intended to help catch players up, and forcing everyone to roll against everyone else when someone may legitimately need this or that piece of gear makes little sense.

Please revert this change ASAP. There are a host of ways to help afford players the opportunity to obtain the gear pieces they need from these raids, but requiring direct competition against the entire rest of your party isn't one of them.

[Decoy_Wolff]

This whole thing spawning from the Japanese players really puts into perspective how much the devs communicate with players because if they did they would have been met with mass negative responses and this would be avoided but since they didn't this also puts into perspective how much the devs only care about the Japanese opinion then Western/European opinions.