Thread: New Loot System for Raids from 4.3 on

Originally Posted by Seraphor

Thing is, I play multiple classes.
I play DRK, AST, BLM and SAM, all pretty much equally, and need gear for all of them...

So here's where I'm starting to get a better picture of how your personal bias is influencing your rationale for being able to roll on anything you want and penalizing those who normally would be able to roll "Need" (which would still have to be done sparingly due to new 24-man lockouts).

It feels like 99% of the time, caster gear drops when i'm NOT playing BLM, or healer gear drops when i'm playing something other than AST.
I basically never have a chance at getting the gear I need, because I never get a chance to 'Need' the gear, even though I play all four of those classes.

Blatant hyperbole aside, it's unfortunate, but that's RNG. Typically if you stick with whatever job you want a drop to roll Need on, something will drop for it sooner or later (unless you are holding out for just one particular piece). It sounds like you have every intention of hitting that Need button if you could, but since you're on a different job/role, you get upset because apparently someone's there to hit Need "99% of the time." So no, you don't get to take the high road here and claim everyone who rolls Need over you is a "douche who only looks after themselves." And queuing up in the DF doesn't make you any less a part of the community and nobody is required there to come as anything.

Personally, I've seen way more gear hit the ground in Rabanastre after the 2nd week or third- which means people after all 4: tank, healing, casting and striking (DRK, AST, BLM and SAM) likely have something they can roll on after a whole run or two.

It honestly just sounds selfish to me because you encountered situations where you wanted drops on classes that you couldn't roll "Need" on. "If I can't roll 'Need,' nobody should be able to." I hate throwing this word around because it's overused to the point of misuse, but the whole idea just screams "entitlement."

Dungeons however I agree should maintain the 'play the class you want to gear' rule.

Like I said, dungeons are different. They're quicker, and you're competing against fewer people, with a more balance party role composition. They also tend to drop more equipment.

I have a difficult time understanding this logic. On the other hand, you think people should get to keep their "Need" privileges in dungeons -that are even more faceroll easy than 24-man raids, have less people to compete with, and can be repeated more quickly (no, they do not necessarily drop more equipment, 24-man raids have 4 bosses with 2 chests each. Dungeons usually only have one chest per 3 bosses with a chance of accessories and maybe gear in the last few chests). If anything, it's slightly more forgiving to lose Need in dungeons (not that I am for that)- especially since a lot of the time they really only serve as glamour gear due to better ilvl outlets elsewhere.

In any case, I don't see the purpose in debating this with you any further. Arguing against a self-serving bias never proves fruitful. The amount of "likes" the other thread accrued in just a week in outcry of the change speaks for itself. Probably also where any further discussion on the matter is worth posting.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Alliance-loot

Originally Posted by TaiyoShikasu

What if and this is gonna sound crazy, but queue up as the job you want to gear up?

They should like, totally do something to incentivize people to do that. Could you imagine? Maybe even give a perk or something that makes actually being at the content as the job you want to gear up beneficial.

Originally Posted by TaiyoShikasu

You have that by having a better, essentially guaranteed chance at getting loot than someone who's playing not whatever job you're playing.

Pssst...




I know.

Personally I think all raids should be token based. You get x amount of tokens for each boss kill to spend as you choose after. This negates hate and resentment and "who played most gets gear" type order for FCs also.