How to maintain aggro off Grit in savages?

[Khalithar]

They should really come up with a less innuendo-y name for it.

The MT in my raid group calls it a Super Shirk.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

I feel like I should mention that a healer taking aggro in a fight like God Kefka doesn't mean they're bad or anything that posts before me imply.
The healing requirements are insane, and unfortunately we can't just not heal the massive outgoing damage because enmity is growing.
As a tank, and especially a DRK, you may have to just go tank stance for a bit longer. Right before Forsaken healer aggro is going to spike massively. Even with Lucid Dreaming, it's pretty common for a WHM to get very close to ripping aggro off the tank if you're not on top of things.

[aqskerorokero]

so....how about stay in grit....that makes other 7 ppl FOCUS on hitting the boss MAINLY

[HoodRat]

so....how about stay in grit....that makes other 7 ppl FOCUS on hitting the boss MAINLY

If I pay for the name change, would you change your name to Respecting Content?

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

so....how about stay in grit....that makes other 7 ppl FOCUS on hitting the boss MAINLY

Except having to press one or two buttons at given times (Diversion on bursts, Lucid to prevent overaggroing, smoke screen NIN when diversion is not enough, Shade Walker as a 2nd Diversion + boosting enmity for the tank, provoke -> shirk by offtank) is actually far more efficient than forcing your main tank into tank stance mid fight. Like come on, do you really try to tell us that hitting a button makes it harder for them to focus on a boss?

Staying in Grit in particular is possibly the most brainless thing to do. It would mean you have no access to Blood Weapon, Delirium has no good extension target and basically is a loss on Blood Price on bosses, your speed is not getting increased and your total MP gain is far lower despite the double MP on syphon strike. If you mean to weave stances you constantly have to pay 1800MP and a GCD timer to enable Grit when required. If you think the tank stance hurts PLD or WAR the most, you gotta consider that the main engine that keeps a DRK going is outside of Grit.

That being said, even a mere provoke + shirk by your co-tank already does so much wonders if you open with a DAPS under Grit to supplement the aggro boost of the tech.

[KDSilver]

so....how about stay in grit....that makes other 7 ppl FOCUS on hitting the boss MAINLY

How about not sneaking in thread to post useless and ridiculous comment ?

Besides.
'Focus"

Reducing aggro can be dealt my pressing one single button.
If you need to "focus" to do that, something's extremely wrong.

[Crizhalid]

TIL pressing Diversion 2 minutes after the fight started is hard.

[Myrhn]

I think if is the healer ripping aggro because he/she is healing the dmg + doing dmg is the tank fault for not staying in tank stance. We dont use Lucid for enmity reduction mainly, we use it to get our mp back primary, the enmity down is just a bonus.

[RLofOBFL]

I think if is the healer ripping aggro because he/she is healing the dmg + doing dmg is the tank fault for not staying in tank stance. We dont use Lucid for enmity reduction mainly, we use it to get our mp back primary, the enmity down is just a bonus.

In a fight like O8s you use Lucid near the start. And as a healer you basically always use lucid close to the beginning of a fight regardless(esp if no ranged) or you're not optimizing it at all and either have low APM for it to not matter or end up with no mp and forced to do nothing. And it only takes one use to make your aggro low enough to matter in 95% of fights. O8s & O4s are the exceptions where you could potentially still rip aggro due to crazy heal requirements, which then it's up to tanks to do something.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

In a fight like O8s you use Lucid near the start. And as a healer you basically always use lucid close to the beginning of a fight regardless(esp if no ranged) or you're not optimizing it at all and either have low APM for it to not matter or end up with no mp and forced to do nothing. And it only takes one use to make your aggro low enough to matter in 95% of fights. O8s & O4s are the exceptions where you could potentially still rip aggro due to crazy heal requirements, which then it's up to tanks to do something.

In the case of O8S, the only window healers can actually rip aggro is from first Heartless Angel until healing resolving post Light of Judgement #1. Past that enough shirks / tankswaps have happened and Lucid is about to come around (about 30-40s more), aggro should be more than stable by then.

In the case of O4S Exdeath, it is fairly bearable - OT using Provoke-Shirk before the tentacles start showing up and using Ultimatum to grab him before he jumps away so the MT can shirk the OT (tankswap) will do the trick just fine. White hole, while nasty, is not the biggest healcheck required.

In the case of O4S Neo-Exdeath, the plenty enmity resets from the grand cross attacks make occasional heal requirements a nasty lot to deal with, at worst the first Almagest could let a WHM overtake in enmity lead. In that fight it is fairly normal for tanks to do a provoke into some enmity boost (be it through NIN shadewalker or one solid enmity combo) to grab the boss before tank mechanics (tankbusters mainly) come around.