turbo controllers the new bot crafting?

[TheVedis]

A Dev response on this matter would be nice :-)

they have responded on it several times in the past, its getting a bit stupid that people expect them to respond every time someone makes a new thread on the matter

[Aysun]

Imo it's SE's fault for creating a system that lets you repeat the entire crafting process from start to finish by only pressing one button.

Need to change the UI, so you have to actually look at the screen to confirm something. For example you could make the default selection = cancel instead of accept.

When we had to do stuff like that, people had a fit. XD

[TheVedis]

When we had to do stuff like that, people had a fit. XD

people are never happy, its too easy, its too hard

give them what they want, and then its all of a sudden not what they want, change it back, and then they want what you took away again

endless cycle of stupidity


people dont know what they want

[Jashynvald]

people are never happy, its too easy, its too hard

give them what they want, and then its all of a sudden not what they want, change it back, and then they want what you took away again

endless cycle of stupidity


people dont know what they want

Well, people complain that it wasn't PERFECT and it might have brought new, unintended consequences (hrm, wonder what that reminds me of...) but people still would feel that it fixed more problems than added. Taking it away just simply is a net negative then and so THEN they complain because they got a net negative (when maybe it needed to be taken away because the new problems made where; hsdjaihgo;weagn iwpu gh....).

It just doesn't end, for devs and players, that's part of the allure of MMOs. The problem is that when you make a bad design choice you don't blame the players for UNANIMOUSLY considering it crap and seeking to circumvent an obvious and clumsy time-sink. What you do is you make changes to address those grievances. In this case, you make a mini-game that people actually desire to play.

Banning players for turbo-controller use will not fix anything, fixing the way we craft will.

[Soulfire]

you cant make that an excuse for botting, it still doesnt fly


i dont think you understand whats going on

it is ok to use a turbo control

BUT

it is not ok to leave it on while afk

there is a big difference that seperates the 2 and people cant justify botting by stating "se lets us do it"

in the end, the terms of service flat out say you cant do it, and thats the bottom line

No, they don't. That's the issue.

There are two things that count here, and they would be the rules and policies as listed under SQUARE ENIX Account and FINAL FANTASY XIV.

FINAL FANTASY® XIV User Agreement
Last Updated: 8/16/2011

2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

At this time there is NO definition of terms regarding botting or automation software. Thus this is far too cryptic, and the fallback is the standard concept that bots and automation software are software programs. This does not include controllers as people view them as hardware.


Ah, here's something better.

Prohibited Activities in Final Fantasy XIV

Activities that destroy game balance
Using third party programs or tools in FINAL FANTASY XIV is strictly prohibited since they allow users to gain an unfair advantage over other players. The use of programs or tools within FINAL FANTASY XIV that allow certain continuous actions to be performed automatically are often referred to as absentee play, which is also prohibited in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Additionally, during the course of an absentee play investigation, players may be requested to respond to or comply with a GMs instruction. Failure to do so is consider a violation and may result in disciplinary action being taken against the account.

So I don't really get "tools" in terms of computers too well, but I think of that as a program, at minimum being akin to the data parsers that have grown so popular. That's what I'd call a tool. As for controllers, keyboards, and mice, I wouldn't say so. After all, that'd be ridiculous. This game will end up on the PS3. Does a Sony controller fall under this category? "Using third party programs or tools in FINAL FANTASY XIV is strictly prohibited since they allow users to gain an unfair advantage over other players." If you claim a controller is a tool, then yes, and I don't see how they plan on pulling that off without being required to punish everyone not using a Square Enix brand controller. Thus it cannot be termed a tool or program as per the first sentence, and as the second says the use of programs or tools to perform continuous actions is referred to as "absentee play," it cannot be considered "absentee play" either.

And this is why care is usually taken when writing all that lawyer mumbo jumbo.

There is no point arguing the matter further.

I was gunning for a dev response, but what is truly needed is either a revision to the rules and policies and/or a revision to the crafting system.

[TheVedis]

@soulfire

what the hell do you think "automation software" means

technicaly, thats exactly what your turbo control becomes if you leave it on while you are afk

how can you not understand this?

[radstar88]

You need to chill buddy. I was unawares of previous dev responses. Possibly a link to said responses might help?

[TheVedis]

You need to chill buddy. I was unawares of previous dev responses. Possibly a link to said responses might help?

lol, go hunting in the dev tracker, i sure as hell aint looking for it, its been a while

but its common sense, i mean come on, the game is playing itself while you are afk, how is that not just common sense...

[Fear]

All of this doesn't change the fact I mentioned earlier, IT IS still possible to craft with your window minimised MANUALLY by pressing a button every 5-10 seconds, as long as that is possible you can't scream out botter when they could be doing it legally.

No where in the ToS does it say that playing the game minimised with a controll pad (repeatidly hitting a button MANUALLY) is illegal, as it is NOT automation your doing it yourself.

[Leo_Hart]

Prohibited Activities in Final Fantasy XIV

Activities that destroy game balance
Using third party programs or tools in FINAL FANTASY XIV is strictly prohibited since they allow users to gain an unfair advantage over other players. The use of programs or tools within FINAL FANTASY XIV that allow certain continuous actions to be performed automatically are often referred to as absentee play, which is also prohibited in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Additionally, during the course of an absentee play investigation, players may be requested to respond to or comply with a GMs instruction. Failure to do so is consider a violation and may result in disciplinary action being taken against the account.

imho, if you fail to do this, you will consider BOT no matter you are manual press or auto-press. Tool can be refer to many things. A normal keyboard, normal mouse, normal gamepad and even WINDOW$, these tools wont happen "allow users to gain an unfair advantage over other players."