turbo controllers the new bot crafting?

[SirOleas]

Dragonball Online has a captcha that is quite fun.
Every so often a box pops up with dragonballs floating around in it and you have to pick the ones that match the captcha.
If you get it correct you get a buff. If you get it incorrect you get a warning. (Up to 3 warnings I think before you are investigated.)

The main problem I have with said system is that people who are simply AFK and like to be in game (like me) are hit with this system and are not there to respond so a lot of legit people get caught up in the mess.

I suppose one way to circumvent that would be to have a player activity check before launching the captcha (if thats possible.)

[Altareon]

The only non-nerd position to have on this issue is "I don't care what other people do with their time and 15 bucks a month."

[Soulfire]

Personally I choose to side with the crafting botters and turbo controller users if only to get SE to change how terrible the current system is. I'm not saying go download a botting program and join the resistance, though; that's a security risk and clearly against the rules.

Turbo controllers, though... Hmm... That's a strange one. It's effectively the same whether someone is there or not. The community is pretty split on this one, but it was SE that made the change to make it possible in the first place. There's no real point in banning here. They can just change how it works to require more than a single button. Then they solve the problem and keep the subscriptions. And if it's not a problem and they're fine with leaving this as a fix to a system clearly not designed for play then they can continue to not take a stance. Really, if I had to point my finger at anything that would be it. That's why even upstanding players will use turbo controllers. Threads and posts about turbo controllers keep popping up begging for answers and getting nothing. The best one can figure amidst the cries of foul play and favoring voices is that AFK turbo is fine while botting is not.

Rather interesting...

Also, I'm gonna quote this from another thread just for how wonderfully it describes the problem:

OP was a bit vague but I assume he's referring specifically to crafting bots? And/or turbo controller users?

Excuse the long post, and look for the bold for the tl;dr.

AFK-crafting in FF14 is a symptom several major problems of the crafting system itself. I'll do my best to explain my opinions on the big ones, starting with:
1) Absurd time invesment requirements. Not only does it take a solid minute or so to complete one item and begin the next, the game demands your attention every 3 seconds like a nagging 4 year old. I always imagine the crafting system to be one of those really annoying jersey shore-types that use the words "bro" and "alpha" unironically.

"Hey bro, how you wanna go about this?"
>Standard
"Ok, good choice bro."
...
"So, what will it be this time?"
>Standard
...
"Yo bro, wh-"
>Standard

I believe a system such as this would be serviceable(not anywhere near ideal, mind you) were it not for the...
2) Terrible rate of progression. Now we're cooking with ass. The snail-like pace of the crafting process compounds the abysmal rate of experience points. There is a huge gap between the average and optimal experience point rates between combat classes and crafter classes, but they are are on the same leveling curve!

100,000 experience points may breeze by in an entertaining group activity for my conjurer, but I'll be lucky(or rather, masochistic) if I make that much in 6 hours of straight crafting, especially towards the higher end. My current strategy for getting a craft from 48-50 is saving up leves and mashing them out. And it takes about 50-60 or so to do it.

So we know about how slow the process is, but that wouldn't itself explain why so very many people are tapin' dat x button down on their controllers. Well, there's a few(or more) problems left to discuss, let's continue with...
3) Random occurrences mitigate player decision-making/skill. Ah yes, RNG. FF14's crafting system is completely full of random outcomes at every turn. Any skill not named perfection will only increase the chances of a favorable outcome. An element can still destabilize on a white orb, and an action can still get a no-durability lost success on a red orb. This is further exacerbated by a...

4) Lack of information. An avid crafter who has done hours of research on the vastness of the internet only has a smidgeon of an idea of how the mechanics of crafting work. How is a new player supposed to know what the hell control, craftsmanship, and magic craftsmanship effect? Why are recipe levels kept hidden from players? Not to mention hidden background statistics, most notably "risk." Were it not for skills such as high return, we'd not even know to call it that.

Throw all of the above together, and we reach the final, most damnable aspect of FF14's crafting system:
5) Broken Effort to Reward Ratio. This refers to how putting for the effort to make advancement is rewarded. In a healthy effort to reward ratio, a player who makes larger contributions of skill to the task at hand is awarded proportionately to the act. Think about 14's crafting system with this in mind. The player who invests time into trying to maximize the result of a crating attempt may, at best, hope for an additional 50 or experience points, and a scaling (but always sub-40%?) chance of an HQ product. Now factor the additional time required for this.

So! What does all that mean, and how does it relate to bots and turbo controllers? Ask yourself the following:

"Why should I pay attention to crafting for long, long hours at a time, when mashing on standard synthesis is nearly as effective, and can be done while I do other, more interesting things?"

Truly, a difficult question to answer. I'll leave you with one final thing to roll around in those heads of yours.

The only way to prevent botting is to not design content that encourages it!
A mindless, grindy crafting system will inevitably be "played" by a mindless bot.

[Reinheart]

JP side is talking about this full on lol.

One thing I thought it was funny was this:



http://goo.gl/i4rSv
Click link above for larger image.

Official FFXIV Controller comes with auto button but if you use it in FFXIV you're busted

Another thing some people on the JP side is talking is that they are saying if you're also watching TV or doing something else while tapping on the enter key and not paying attention to the game then you're same as a bot, or using these turbo controllers.... which to me is like WTF?? because I come from home, cook dinner feed the kids, then on my free time I watch cartoons/anime with my 4 yr old son while holding the baby in my left arm and crafting = bot. I actually posted this on the JP side and that person told me that I am exact same as those using the turbo button and should get banned for not paying attention to the game LOL, so I responded saying if the crafting wasn't boring crap mini-game like it is now I would pay more attention but with current crappy mini-game that puts you to sleep mode in 5-10 minutes there is no way I'm going to sit and pay attention to every craft to get my crafting level up. Hopefully in 2.0 they make a better mini-game for them and I'll start paying more attention.

[Soulfire]

I don't see a turbo button anywhere on that. It looks like one turns on/off vibration, another swaps the left analog and pad, and the other is used in conjunction with other buttons to access the function keys on the keyboard. The rest is standard stuff. I didn't see any reviews noting a turbo function.
http://www.snakebyte-usa.com/contain...iv-controller/

As for that guy who told you pressing the button while not looking is the same as turbo... He's either an idiot or pretty smart and trying to work it the other way, because the thing is the effects are the same, yet people are throwing tantrums like turbo with your finger taped on a button and turbo with just the tape on the button are worlds apart.

(In other words, there or not there, the input that goes through is the same.)

[Reinheart]

I don't see a turbo button anywhere on that. It looks like one turns on/off vibration, another swaps the left analog and pad, and the other is used in conjunction with other buttons to access the function keys on the keyboard. The rest is standard stuff. I didn't see any reviews noting a turbo function.
http://www.snakebyte-usa.com/contain...iv-controller/

As for that guy who told you pressing the button while not looking is the same as turbo... He's either an idiot or pretty smart and trying to work it the other way, because the thing is the effects are the same, yet people are throwing tantrums like turbo with your finger taped on a button and turbo with just the tape on the button are worlds apart.

(In other words, there or not there, the input that goes through is the same.)

oops wrong controller lol, this one w

http://goo.gl/i4rSv

Now that one clearly states Auto - changing the other posts image

[Fear]

Someone at SE just facepalmed

[ObeiKinstar]

dang that black controller is way cooler looking than the white one, but expensive... on japantrendshop i can get for $50+$20 shipping, on amazon I can get the white one for $13 and free shipping on orders $25+

why is the black on $77 and the white one $13??

[Fey]

dang that black controller is way cooler looking than the white one, but expensive... on japantrendshop i can get for $50+$20 shipping, on amazon I can get the white one for $13 and free shipping on orders $25+

why is the black on $77 and the white one $13??

prob caus, white one doesn't have auto function

[Gospel]

If you ask me. I think the people who wasted $75 dollars for a bot at MoeToy are just cranky cause people can do it for free now and are capping out all of their crafts.