Please let us buy gil since it's not pay to win.

[JackHatchet]

Too many people are saying pay to win only applies if it gives you a combat advantage in the hardest content.

So if that's the case, can we please buy gil? Having gil isn't going to make Ultimate Coils harder, so why not do it?

(I really wish we had a solid definition for what pay to win means)

[Musashidon]

sounds like a double win to me, SE gets more money AND we kill rmt at the same time then people can stop complaining about rmt bots.

[JackHatchet]

I would love to see Square-Enix add a game-time token like Warcraft does. Or maybe convert gil into crystia? Then people can buy mogstation items with gil too.

I think we're passed the point of saying "this is a bad idea," because we've already gotten character boosts. Story skip, paid retainers, and now a premium app. The resistance to buying and selling gil is weakening with every patch. Let's just do it already. And then maybe people with gil can buy the premium app with gil and the world will be happy. Also, kills RMT. Everyone wins.

[KisaiTenshi]

I would love to see Square-Enix add a game-time token like Warcraft does. Or maybe convert gil into crystia? Then people can buy mogstation items with gil too.

I think we're passed the point of saying "this is a bad idea," because we've already gotten character boosts. Story skip, paid retainers, and now a premium app. The resistance to buying and selling gil is weakening with every patch. Let's just do it already. And then maybe people with gil can buy the premium app with gil and the world will be happy. Also, kills RMT. Everyone wins.

That has the opposite effect. The second you make game time buyable with the game currency, you send inflation through the ceiling, then no player will ever be able to buy anything from the market. The reason EVE does this is because those time tokens can be destroyed.

https://www.engadget.com/2010/08/08/...-of-game-time/

At current prices, the 74 PLEX destroyed would have sold for a total of over 22 billion ISK, or they could have fueled an EVE subscription for six years and two months. The huge cache of licenses represented approximately $1,295 US worth of game time that someone purchased. Perhaps the real winner here is CCP, who was paid for $1,295 worth of game time that can never be redeemed.

Since this is not a PvP game, there is no place for this stuff to be sinked through destruction. Go take a look at that part of the forum, they are already asking for gil limits to be raised or removed, because clearly some servers do not have working markets with enough sinks.

Archeage and EVE have hyperinflation as a result of how the real world money to game money translates. You simply can not complete in a PvP game that has this. In a primarily PvE game, you still have a market that can be destroyed by only a few players who rented the maximum amount of retainers they can get onto that server.

P2W stuff is a slippery slope of greed for the company that implements it. Once you put it in, you can never undo the damage. This is why games end up with 100 different kinds of untradeable "token" currencies, because the primary game currency is worthless.

[Hamada]

I wonder how many people gonna come and post on this thread without understanding what It really means.

Buying something with real life money that gives you an advantage over someone not paying, basically every mobile game out there , should be the closet definition to p2w

[JackHatchet]

Do you know what would counter inflation? Allowing people to buy extra retainers with gil and giving more gil sinks. Or even letting people buy fantasias from a vendor for like 10million. Inflation would shrink.

Also, the biggest cause of inflation is all them damn robots Square-Enix didn't even put on the list of notable offenses. Sure RMT was on there, but not botting...

[Berethos]

Do you know what would counter inflation? Allowing people to buy extra retainers with gil and giving more gil sinks. Or even letting people buy fantasias from a vendor for like 10million. Inflation would shrink.

Also, the biggest cause of inflation is all them damn robots Square-Enix didn't even put on the list of notable offenses. Sure RMT was on there, but not botting...

WoW has numerous very expensive items that are purely for vanity or minor convenience, and even uses a "Black Market AH" with rare items that sometimes come from no other source and go for hundreds of thousands of gold...

Inflation is still an issue that got and stayed worse after they released the tokens. It doesn't work nearly as well as you think it does.

[Jojoya]

WoW has numerous very expensive items that are purely for vanity or minor convenience, and even uses a "Black Market AH" with rare items that sometimes come from no other source and go for hundreds of thousands of gold...

Inflation is still an issue that got and stayed worse after they released the tokens. It doesn't work nearly as well as you think it does.

Vanity items are only as good a gold sink as the appeal to the player's vanity. If only a few players have an interest in the item, then it's not effective as a gold sink.

Inflation in WoW has nothing to do with the tokens. It has to do with the huge amount of gold that can be earned from gold missions that only take a couple of minutes a day.

Tokens don't exist to curb inflation. They exist to keep players engaged in the game that struggle to earn gil/gold/whatever game currency and to fight illicit RMT currency selling (which happens because some players in need of game currency are willing to pay for it).

[Alael]

terrible idea go wow if you want p2w

[JohnnyDevo]

The only thing that this would end up doing is set a price for the gil sellers to beat.