Just say no

[Vhailor]

Not really wanting to sound pessimistic, but steam is notorious for beign actually a dumpster for asset flippers by now for their massive lack of quality control

I'd hate for them to have quality control standards. The market can decide that, and I'm perfectly capable of reading through reviews and sorting out the spam from the legitimate ones. I just want the options.

I think there is a lot of preliminary negativity based on too few details to be honest. I am super excited for the app and don't see the negativity. There is nothing really pay to win about it. There isn't really anything that I would consider greatly disrupting about the application so far. I am going to subscribe and probably tell other people to do it too. It's a good value from what I see is provided.

It is absolutely P2W - it just doesn't mesh with your concept of winning. Not everyone plays MMOs for the same reasons you do, however, nor do they view winning the same way. For some players, winning is about Glamours and mount or minion collections. For others, it's about beating the hardest Savage / Ultimate content in the game. And for still others, it's earning Gil and striving to maximize their market footprint. And there are other views, too, of course - countless views.

For these three described groups, however, only the Savage / Ultimate group has retained an unmolested experience. The Mog Station has introduced a forced pay wall for people who see winning as having their Glamours and collections. The Retainer system and, now, the phone app (for mostly different reasons) has introduced a forced pay wall for the market group. This is absolutely P2W - it simply isn't pay to defeat the hardest battle content. Those are two very different things.

[Zephanoa]

It is absolutely P2W - it just doesn't mesh with your concept of winning. Not everyone plays MMOs for the same reasons you do, however, nor do they view winning the same way. For some players, winning is about Glamours and mount or minion collections. For others, it's about beating the hardest Savage / Ultimate content in the game. And for still others, it's earning Gil and striving to maximize their market footprint. And there are other views, too, of course - countless views.

For these three described groups, however, only the Savage / Ultimate group has retained an unmolested experience. The Mog Station has introduced a forced pay wall for people who see winning as having their Glamours and collections. The Retainer system and, now, the phone app (for mostly different reasons) has introduced a forced pay wall for the market group. This is absolutely P2W - it simply isn't pay to defeat the hardest battle content. Those are two very different things.

That is fair, I don't consider glamour, minions, or mounts pay to win. So you got me on that one. I don't think most people consider social or visual aesthetics pay-to-win because there isn't anything that you can -win- from the items that you can get. Even the retainer system requires additional work in the game in order to make money. Its not as simple as just having a retainer and money. You have to level a job, or multiple jobs. You have to earn gcs and do the work of trading them to even get ventures. Or earn ventures through the normal in game processes.

[Ceallach]

I felt this was relevant.

[Aivi_lo]

Whenever someone says super excited I get the song from Southpark in my head ><
"I'm super, thanks for asking...."

[Remedi]

I think that is more about believing that money = power, not really about making things easier but in the sense that my acquisition power is bigger than yours as such I'm better mentality.

In fact what I would like to know is if the app will be released as is in global, since many mobile games gets altered in some ways when they reach the west.

[SpiritMuse]

You know, there are many things that people have made quit threads over that I've found no problem at all. I've loved most of the content that has been put out. I don't mind at all that the patch cycle is almost the same every time. I enjoy it, so I've no interest in seeing it change.

This, however... this is a direction I have serious problems with. My sub today has exactly 100 days remaining, and for the first time I'm not sure I'm going to re-up when it runs out...

[Okamimaru]

App doesn't effect me... I will come home as usual log in check my retainers and then proceed to undercut everyone by 50% of the lowest MB price.... I don't need a billion gil tomorrow... I can take huge losses and still be happy... I already have a personal and fc house and apt fully decorated... I'm good...

[Anemone_Valesti]

All the Power to those that don't...but Im totally using this App lol. It should definitely be interesting.

[Vibronix]

Really disappointed by this app, I was coming back to FFXIV after finally deciding to try and enjoy SB (I was so unethusiastic about it because no new tanking/healing jobs, and I don't dps), but news that they are adding not just a sub to the app, but microtransactions.

Seriously, a AAA game with $15 sub and additional $5 premium mobile app/mo, plus the costs of all the retainers at $2/each, is adding microtransactions? That shows a greediness that I think goes too far

[Wilford111]

I'll download the app and pay for the premium plan.

Because who cares about content that's being stripped away from players as long as YOU can pay for it right?