Just say no

[Hasrat]

There is. It just hasn't been updated with the latest LL yet. It's also usually announced on the front page of the Lodestone when it's updated.

No, I was suggesting a folder for discussing live letters. Because general discussion tends to get flooded every time these come out, and if you don't keep up with them, it's all a bit much. I'd suggest one catch-all thread, but I at least recognize there's multiple topics to discuss.

[Gurpsmeister]

Everyone keeps asking if SE will notice the backlash. I kind of feel like you're a vocal minority, so no I wager they won't notice it. The NA forums have a few threads each with a few pages of the same handful of people crying doom and foul play.
It seems the rest don't care or support the idea.

Personally I'm for it. I can afford it if I want it and if I don't I frankly don't care if someone else does. I say add more to the mog station and bring on this app!
Facts are facts, if people didn't like the options that dlc, lockboxes, and paid extras offered then they'd never have become a thing. Turns out itd profitable because people pay and i imagine they do so because they want to.

Picket and protest all you like, your voice is a whisper here. I mean cmon, they don't even translate live letters here anymore. Who do you think is paying attention to this small smattering of discontent?

[Vstarstruck]

I'm going to recommend just not using it and if you're enjoying the game just continue as usual. While I get people are feeling threatened by people who might pay and dominate the MB, I'm thinking that won't be as prevalent as they're imagining. The amount of people paying for additional retainers has been described as "low", what makes you think the people who aren't willing to shell out 2 bucks a month for a retainer are going to be willing to shell out 5 bucks plus "nuts" to run the boards? I understand they could be different people, but if there's balking at 2 dollars, 5 dollars STARTING is going to be another barrier. There was a thread before about someone dominating the MB in pots or food or somesuch, WITHOUT the app. Yeah they were suspected of botting, yeah it's something we'd like not to see, but I don't see someone dropping 800 bucks a month just to be "king mithkabob". Is that the fear?

By all means show your displeasure, but the game isn't getting worse for it. They're locking nothing we used to be able to do behind a paywall, just adding an option to manage it a different way. As always there's some doom and gloom following a dis-favorable change but I'm just going to keep playing the way I always have until I actually am not having fun.

I don't like what the app ended up being, but that just means I wont use it the same way I don't use skip pots.

It only takes one person per server using this to full ability can run the MB on all valuable, rare, and semi rare items.

Yeah they are few in number, that is the problem, the competition on the MB is low in general, and the same reason why bots flourish like the cactuar situation.

I am not worried about a large number using this app, im worried about that one person that will fully exploit it.

[MuseTraveller]

Pardon me for maybe sound totally ignorant but how is this app pay-to-win if all you do is get MB privilege and extra retainer by using the premium version? Sure, you will get dibs on some items and maybe make more gil but how is having more gil than others really helping you win in game? :?
I'm not trying to stir the pot, just wondering if I'm missing something on why this app is such a bad idea.

[ElHeggunte]

No, I was suggesting a folder for discussing live letters. Because general discussion tends to get flooded every time these come out, and if you don't keep up with them, it's all a bit much. I'd suggest one catch-all thread, but I at least recognize there's multiple topics to discuss.

Ah, I misunderstood, sorry. A dedicated subforum for LL discussion would be amazing, largely for keeping clutter down in General.

[Mikki]

Pardon me for maybe sound totally ignorant but how is this app pay-to-win if all you do is get MB privilege and extra retainer by using the premium version? Sure, you will get dibs on some items and maybe make more gil but how is having more gil than others really helping you win in game? :?
I'm not trying to stir the pot, just wondering if I'm missing something on why this app is such a bad idea.

Do you know how much it costs to penta-meld gear? Millions. Penta-melded gear gives advantages for end game content. If people would be angry at them selling raid tier gear for a premium, why do people not care that people have better control over the market board if they pay a premium?

I'm really getting tired of how people basically say "screw you crafters". I worked hard to get my crafters up and I work hard to make stuff and I work hard to sell stuff. It definitely won't be fun for me when those few whales completely dominate the market board for the most valuable items. I've had it happen before and I promise you it's one of the most frustrating things as a crafter. I literally had to drop out and give up. These were bots, of course. But I don't really think it'll be any less frustrating from a real player who suddenly has 8 more hours in the day that they can constantly undercut with. Sure you have people who simply have no life and do it anyway and you have bots. But I don't want to add to it.

But at this point, I doubt anything I say will make a difference. Lets just all enable SE to keep sucking the money from our wallets / taking our sub money and giving us the lowest amount in return as possible while giving all the best stuff to whales. That's cool.

[Reinha]

how is having more gil than others really helping you win in game? :?

There is no way to "win" in an MMO, because it's not a race. Rather than arguing the meaning of words it would be more fruitful for people to discuss whether the business model of offering game play altering things in the cash shop is appropriate when we already pay a sub fee, because that is the spirit of all the "P2W" complaints.

My stance is that if it's not cosmetic, it's too far. More item storage space, more simultaneous ventures, more MB slots, mount speed increases, job boosts, retainer job boosts, story skip, in game currencies and non-cosmetic in game items are examples of things that shouldn't be sold with real money in a subscription game IMO.

The reason why I have this stance is because the sub model has in my experience ensured a certain degree of fairness among customers. If the sub model no longer does that then there is no point in paying it anymore, because I can get the experience of being left behind in any F2P game.

[MuseTraveller]

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Thank you for the explanation! Now I see better why all the concerns. Personally, I think what the app offers is too soon to judge but I understand the dangers better. I'll be holding on my opinion for now.

And yes I've penta melded before, it hurt my gil wallet a bit but not too much.

[Paladinleeds]

Personally I'm for it. I can afford it if I want it and if I don't I frankly don't care if someone else does. I say add more to the mog station and bring on this app!
Facts are facts, if people didn't like the options that dlc, lockboxes, and paid extras offered then they'd never have become a thing.

So we should be made to pay $5 to get a basic UI feature of being able to move items between retainers (or bank tabs as other MMOs will refer to them as)? Something no other MMORPG, not even free to play ones, put an extra charge on being able to do? Can you not see the extreme nickle and diming we're suffering here.

Paid expansions? I can get behind that.
Optional extras on mog station (as in clothes, fantasia, etc)? Getting a bit excessive these days I won't lie, but not inherently wrong.
Charging extra to access a basic UI feature (moving items between bank tabs)? No, just no. That is wrong and spits on all your playerbase.

As for if people didn't like things like lockboxes they'd never have become a thing? See EA, and that new Star Wars game. People kicked up an almighty stink. It got backtracked. They became a thing because companies wanted more money (which is fair enough on their part). Notice a lot of people don't have an issue with DLC or even optional extras dependent on how they're done. DLC for a new expansion pack offering up a whole new world? Yep, most people are OK with that. Extra charges for thing like server transfers? Yep, that's fine (changing appearance is a bit touch and go, but most people are OK with that still).

Most people are only going to pay because they feel they have to. Not because they want to. Or if they can't, they're gonna quit.

[Astral145]

This and several other reasons is why I already dropped sub. Im done with FFXIV and SE altogether. I think I'll go play Ni No Kuni 2 which btw looks like a lot of fun. I absolutely love Level 5 games... my all time fave was White Knight Chronicles 2 online.... I really miss that game.... any who FFXIV is pretty much going F2P soon enough. I might as well pack my bags now and jump ship before the storm hits.