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    Suggestion there needs to be 2 tank spots per party for 24 man raids.

    Almost all the party content is designed around the 2 tanks 4 dps 2 healer set up. Except for the 24 man raids where it is 3 parties of 1 tank 2 healers and 5 dps. This makes the wait time for tanks so very long. There needs to be more tank spots.

    In Stormblood you really should go back to the 2 tank spot set up because it makes your tank players wait 30 min to 1 hour+ to get a group for this.

    I like doing the 24 man content but the wait time is too long.

    See picture below.

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    been there tried that learned from the very first 24 man that this is a bad idea.

    1. making content that requires 6 tanks is simply a bad idea.
    2. It simply slows down the queue for everyone else to make tanks feel better.

    If you do not want to wait in queue as a tank, feel free to lvl and queue as a dps and roll on tank gear. As there is only one tank anda weekly lockout, there is a good chance you would get what you want for tank without waiting in tank queue to get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edewen View Post
    been there tried that learned from the very first 24 man that this is a bad idea.

    1. making content that requires 6 tanks is simply a bad idea.
    2. It simply slows down the queue for everyone else to make tanks feel better.

    If you do not want to wait in queue as a tank, feel free to lvl and queue as a dps and roll on tank gear. As there is only one tank anda weekly lockout, there is a good chance you would get what you want for tank without waiting in tank queue to get it.
    You are not looking at this from a tanks point of view. Just because the game allows for half as many tanks to do the content at a time doesn't mean half of those tanks go away. Just sticks us in very long queues.

    We should not have to wait 1 hour plus to do the content when almost everything in the game is designed around having 2 tanks per party. Its just greatly unbalancing the queue. Putting it back at 2 tanks would make the queue be about the same as it is for everything else in the game 5-10 min queues. I never need any of the gear since I do savage already ilvl 270. I am doing it for extra upgrade items. I did level all my jobs to 60 but dps wasn't fun to play, i should be able to play my main job. None of my dps are 270 and it wouldn't be optimal for me to play stuff that isn't at ilvl cap. I wouldn't mind playing a dps once I get all the alex books and upgrade items to get 270. That is the whole reason this stuff is taking forever to do since long queues.
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    The 24-man raids are the only content in the game where we don't get instaqueues. I think we're fine.
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    Right now I am doing endless void ark queues, just to get upgrade items for my monk. I need 6 of them. The queue shouldn't take longer then the raid.
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    As a tank main, I am fine with the 24 man raids having only 3 tanks, cause really, battle wise, it was all that was needed. LoTA had a unnecessary large amount of tanks that, for most fights, weren't really needed. So they moved to a different party setup, which has worked so far. Plus a bunch of other tank trolls tend to make runs messy. (Not to mention 90% of the time people stand around wondering who MT will be >.>)

    To be honest, we already have the shortest queue times for Dungeons and some trials, so...well..let the DPS have this one xD
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    Maybe make it so the eighth spot can go to a dps OR a tank, but I am 100% against them bringing back 6-tank 24-man raids.

    The reason they started doing single-tank setups was because tank populations couldn't support those style queues. The reason I don't want them to, is because mechanically, it was awful. The first boss of LotA shows the issue of this: with how item level scales, adds that you were supposed to take away from the boss would run wild, due to the healer aggro shifting so radically, until they get burned down two steps away from him.

    Put simply: I can't see any enjoyment coming out of content that demands 6 tanks, simply because that first dungeon already soured me on the idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zumi View Post
    You are not looking at this from a tanks point of view. Just because the game allows for half as many tanks to do the content at a time doesn't mean half of those tanks go away. Just sticks us in very long queues.

    We should not have to wait 1 hour plus to do the content when almost everything in the game is designed around having 2 tanks per party. Its just greatly unbalancing the queue. Putting it back at 2 tanks would make the queue be about the same as it is for everything else in the game 5-10 min queues. I never need any of the gear since I do savage already ilvl 270. I am doing it for extra upgrade items. I did level all my jobs to 60 but dps wasn't fun to play, i should be able to play my main job. None of my dps are 270 and it wouldn't be optimal for me to play stuff that isn't at ilvl cap. I wouldn't mind playing a dps once I get all the alex books and upgrade items to get 270. That is the whole reason this stuff is taking forever to do since long queues.
    Gonna offer my point of view here. MY main is paladin. when it comes to 24 man content I hardly ever take a tank. because using dun scaith as an example. by the time that was released my paladin was already decked out in 260+ thus my tank didn't need any of the drops.

    most people go in to 24 mans to gear alt jobs. because there mains are already geared by the time the raids come out.

    that said when it comes to 24 mans I have never had a problem when I queue as tank for lights / tails. the dun scaith I did today was a 6 minute queue.

    regarding the game being built around 2 tanks per party even that isn't technically true... because how often do people do one tank set ups cos the second is pretty much redundant. even coil back in the arr days a lot of turns were solo tanked you just didn't need 2.... 2 tanks in turn 9. you're having a laugh.. or most recently zurvan ex. it's incredibly rare to see a party finder with 2 tanks...
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    My static does Zurvan with 2 tanks and we always skip soars. I never want gear from 24 mans because it is not bis however I do want upgrade items because it can produce a bis item. When I gear my alts I don't bother getting 24 man gear since it will never be bis. I just roll on something if it has a unique look sometimes for glamor.
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    The queue in your screenshot has 1 of 3 tank slots filled. In what way will doubling the number of tank slots make queues faster?
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