Thread: 4.3 AST changes/speculations

Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

CU being changed to 60s is tricky. It's incredibly strong afterall. Instead, maybe change Celestial Opposition to 90s so it alligns better with CU.

Mhhh CU 60s would be great for the Nocturnal. But this talent is just inflexible. You have to maintain that talent, you have to be in the right place and have a terrible cooldown timer. Yep it has a HoT, but this is reason enough against 1m CD. I do not think so.

But a change with CU would made the Diurnal Ast stronger. And I hardly think that Diurnal needs improvement. The solution to the problem lies elsewhere...

Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

CU being changed to 60s is tricky. It's incredibly strong afterall. Instead, maybe change Celestial Opposition to 90s so it alligns better with CU.

But Lucid Dream have 120 sec.

I haven't read every post, but I just wanted to make a comment based on what I read at the start. Be advised I play SCH, so my opinion might seem biased, but I swear it's not. While slight changes to Nocturnal Sect might be good, it can't and shouldn't change drastically. Right now you can use Noct Sect comfortably, but too far in either direction and it'll either make them too weak, or out perform SCH by a wide margin. SCH still needs to be the "sheild" healer, not AST.

Originally Posted by Eloah

(...). While slight changes to Nocturnal Sect might be good, it can't and shouldn't change drastically. Right now you can use Noct Sect comfortably, but too far in either direction and it'll either make them too weak, or out perform SCH by a wide margin. SCH still needs to be the "sheild" healer, not AST.

Hey again Eloah,

First at all this thread is not "Scholor vs Nocturnal AST" thread! If you want write "Sch still needs to be THE "shield" healer and not the AST."

If you want to comment this, I recommend you this thread: Scholar vs Astrologian Mitigation

I find it questionable to suggest that the Nocturnal astro is right now "comfortably".

But I'm so free to show, a section of an astrologian guide by the player Sweet Memories of the realm "Faerie"



Source: Astrologian A Healer’s Handbook V. 2

That's not my view. But it shows that a sandbox healer should have the freedom. But not in the case which the Astro has now.

Originally Posted by Heilstos

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Umm... hi?

I'm not entirely sure why you made that reply, but thank you? I wasn't indicating this was a SCH vs Noct AST thread, just that in my opinion Noct Sect "works" now, and I personally don't think it needs a change. And if it does get one it should be minor.

The main reason I said they were "comfortable" at the moment is because right now the shields provide enough mitigation to be viable, without shifting the healer dynamic and throwing off the balance.

I'm sure plenty of players still hate it. But that doesn't mean it isnt working as intended.

Honestly though, the biggest change thst should be made is the ability to swap stances in battle, but at a "price". What that price should be I'm not sure. Maybe make it a personal/unique card buff that lets you use the other sect for 10-15s or so; Lunar Ascension, Stellar Decent, I dunno.

Originally Posted by Ghishlain

I didn't raid Ultimate so someone correct me if I'm mistaken regarding the next bit.

AST wasn't brought to Ultimate because there was a mandatory wipe mechanic at around the 15 minute mark when Bahamut goes Saiyan on you soon afterwards. This wipe mechanic also removed all buffs (including stored cards). The next phase afterwards is a short 3 minute window of DPS and heals check with minor mechanics. Thus you couldn't store cards for this part of the fight and had to fish for cards during a very small window of the fight.

That was irrelevant imo as that phase was 3 minutes and you could draw an arrow/spear/balance and have access to 2 sleeve draws. Also funny enough, a few groups I've known progged the fight on WHM and then switched to AST at the end for the last golden bahamut phase.

The real reason it wasn't brought as much into savage is because there aren't a lot of good ASTs that can make the job shine in a prog setting. That and the general notion is WHM for prog and AST for speeds/optimization/parses. IMO, AST is viable in prog (as someone who has progged and cleared as AST from start to finish) because just as a SCH would plan their deployment or fairy CDs, so does an AST with their CDs and earthlies. In a fight specifically like Ultimate, the 60 second nature of phases makes CD planning simple and earthly really shines.

That being said, I think these buffs are aimed at noct as it's pretty clear that the buff to SCH shields really took the wind out of the noct for progression. Though, I'd like a noct buff, an insta stella would be nicer as well as some MP buffs. If no noct buff though, I'd like to see SCH succor buff reverted.