All Greed on Alliance loot

[Remus]

Just... why? If people want to get gear on their sub jobs they should run it on that class. Why should everyone suffer because some people don't want to run it on the class they are trying to get loot for? I really don't understand the choices they make sometimes and I hope they don't implement this.

Edit:
Hey all, It's good to see people showing support on their dislike with the greed only system.

They plan on doing a Q&A for E3 and you are able to ask any question you want.

If possible for anyone who comes to this thread could you like my post in the Q&A topic to do with the greed only system. I really think this could be a good opportunity to get an answer on this if they plan on changing it or not (they could be changing it in the upcoming maintenance but we know know yet). Also the more people that like it, the chances may increase for it being asked due to it showing it's a question people really want a answer to.

E3 Q&A

Edit 2:

No more Greed only!

Hello, Producer and Director Yoshi-P here. Patch 4.3 brought major changes to the Need/Greed system in alliance raids, and we received a lot of feedback from players around the world. After careful consideration, we have decided to revert those changes and bring back the Need option. This will take effect from the next hotfix and includes all alliance raids.

We hope you continue to give us your feedback on your experiences in the world of FINAL FANTASY XIV!

[BillyKaplan]

Yeah I'm opposed to. It's hard enough to get the gear piece you want if you want a specific one because of RNG, least of all if there are other people with the same role as you in the party (which is always the case for healers and tanks). But now we'll have to fight against the rest of the party too. It'll make the grind all the worse.

[Remedi]

Don't really care about that since personally i think they need to revise alliance raid loots to acomodate the new changes from savage lootings.
However I can understand ppl that dislike this change and emphatise with this

[Vivi_Bushido]

I'm against the idea as well, but alliance raid and gear has always been released in catch up patches used for catch up gear. I assume this is so players can catch up their alt jobs considering that alliance gear is almost always outdated but the halfway point of the patch. With a new expansion to Eureka, there's the possibility they might enhance the relic gear to 360 then 365 after that. Making Alliance gear greed only gives more reason to farm it I suppose? Just a theory.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I'm against the idea as well, but alliance raid and gear has always been released in catch up patches used for catch up gear. I assume this is so players can catch up their alt jobs considering that alliance gear is almost always outdated but the halfway point of the patch. With a new expansion to Eureka, there's the possibility they might enhance the relic gear to 360 then 365 after that. Making Alliance gear greed only gives more reason to farm it I suppose? Just a theory.

The irony is they've now made it significantly harder for tanks who actually want the gear because all the raiders playing their DPS alts can roll on it for glamour. It's an incredibly shortsighted change that benefits no one except people who want gear for a job they won't play.

[Neophyte]

The irony is they've now made it significantly harder for tanks who actually want the gear because all the raiders playing their DPS alts can roll on it for glamour. It's an incredibly shortsighted change that benefits no one except people who want gear for a job they won't play.

No one? And what about the people who actually play a lot of jobs?
You know, those that don't play healer/tank/any job, just because they can need on glamour items, with their ilvl 310 weapon and no skill at all.

Let's say I could use an upgrade on healer/DRG/NIN. Instead of going NIN x times a week and hoping for NIN gear to drop and hoping to have no other NIN (or same with any other job)... I can go healer->DRG->an BiS job not needing gear at all->tank->whatever and have just to beat RNG regarding any drop I could use and then have to win against people with a weekly lockout (people should roll pretty careful).

I rather roll against people I can talk to with lockouts (so not 7 will roll on tank loot I guess) than have to deal with that rng bs to be on NIN when drg gear drops and other way round.
I can just going as most needed role, speeding up queue for me and everyone else.

And yes, it's also baffling how people defend the unfair situation that as a healer you always have to roll against someone and as a tank never. Ppl dont care why?

[MoroMurasaki]

I can just going as most needed role, speeding up queue for me and everyone else.

How is this any better than the current system, honestly?

Let's look at your NIN example. With the current system you can play NIN and maybe have to roll against another NIN, more than likely not. The only job in the current 24man that is guaranteed competition on "Need" drops every 24man would be healers though admittedly sometimes DPS are doubled up. Tanks never have this issue right now.

In the future tanks aren't guaranteed tank-drops. That NIN isn't guaranteed NIN items in a party where they're the only NIN. Those healers are going from rolling against one other person (at max) to up to 7 others.

Oh, but you get to play your main to gear an alt - yeah, because that matters. Lol.

[Neophyte]

Oh, but you get to play your main to gear an alt - yeah, because that matters. Lol.

Yes it matters to be able to play as any job I want anytime instead of being bound to a certain job.
I'm able to alternate jobs, sure, but only as long as they didnt get a drop. If I'm lucky and get DRG gear fast I'm still maybe stuck the whole next week on NIN and only NIN.
What really doesn't matter is "I want people to play as the role they want gear on just because, and I don't care that the system is unfair already with job based rolls.".

Someone said ilvl of Rabanastre is ilvl305. It matter to me that less people are inclined to use that low jobs to get an upgrade. Yay, a tank with 290 weapon and no experience, I'm so glad that he doesn't went in with his 354 DRG and made room for someone who actually can hold emnity.

As I said, I rather roll against ppl than just being screwed by game rng.
The outcome doesn't change for me, propbaly 3-6 runs a week to get my drop, with that many jobs I often greed already..
But higher ilvl and higher skill on average and being able to queue at most needed role is a good thing.

Same why ex primal greed farms are way smoother and better... instead of people wanting to replace their 310 weapon on their jobs they can't play, you actually get decent players sometimes.

With weekly lockouts and 6 drops per run, I will get my loot pretty fast now.

[Jijifli]

I assume this is so players can catch up their alt jobs

I have a wonderful idea that they could have applied earlier to boost their chance of getting gear for a job. Play the job.

Seriously, the item level requirements are bare bones tiny. I had a RDM once in Rabanastre that was still in basically their full artifact 290 set, with some 300 accessories, and it let them in. They had the item level. They didn't have the HP to survive any mechanics, but they had the item level.

So is they can get in with such a low amount, why can't others? Why do I gotta roll with someone who might not even have that role leveled up, just because he didn't like what I did and wants to screw me out of the chest I ran 15 times to see?

Why do you think that random players will burn their weekly lockout on something they don't want or can't even use? That makes no sense. They will roll on what they want, just like you.

I got nasty slurs thrown at me in Rabanastre on my BRD for taking a bard piece, from a WHM who really wanted it for their level 34 bard. They didn't have MCH either, not even unlocked.

So don't tell me they don't exist. That rest of the run was terrible since only the SCH would actually heal me, the WHM ignored me outside of aoe spells.

[Rita1989]

Terrible idea, getting gear with need can take enough runs as is and with all greed it only gets worse