All Greed on Alliance loot

[Alleo]

Town criers win out...

It seems that they have looked at the forums of the whole playerbase and made their decision on that. Just looking at this thread alone makes it quite obvious that those for the change were quite the minority. The same on the japanese forum.

If by older raids you mean ARR/HW, claiming they are used for catch up is ridiculous. Poetics gets you far better gear at 50/60. Gear in old raids is pretty well exclusively for glamour.



Which, for the community, was perfectly viable. I could be Needing on healer gear and still be turning it in. Community consensus was your need for glamour is no greater than my need for seals. It's honestly amazing how quickly the opinion on that seemed to reverse when players lost their roll advantage. If we're being perfectly honest here, ARR/HW raids could get away just fine with Greed-only, because no player there needs that gear in any sense.

Uhm there is the first part of the Ivalice raid you know?

Yes and its fine if you are needing on it to turn it in. But someone that wanted tank gear for glamour and was geared enough to play tank could go into the old raids and at least get a 100% chance to roll on it thanks to need..without need you will mostly just roll against 7 other people since there is no weekly limit. I am really not sure how that not just shows that Need is also better for older raids. I am honestly not sure how you got the other view out of my post. (I stated that its simply better because you can have a need roll thus higher chance and thus get the gear for glamour. I never ever stated that you cant roll on it to turn it in)

Heck the need roll is kinda also better for turn in items too. If you go as a tank and tank items drop you will have a 100% chance to get that to turn it in, or a 50% chance as a healer. Thus nice loot for your seals. While at the same time you can still greed on the rest and get lucky there too. The greed only just means that you wont have those nearly certain items if they drop and thus you can lose every single item to someone else.

[Enla]

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Hell I use these raids to gear my alts as well. The fact that Rabanastre was also affected by the Greed Only rule essentially meant that I couldn't gear them without an immense struggle because everyone could lot on the pieces I /legitimately/ needed. Because of that I ended up breaking the bank on my main and springing for 350 gear because I just didn't have the time or heart to fight for my upgrades with people who were just going to turn it in for seals.

[Rockette]

Town criers win out...

Considering Yoshi P said "feedback from around the world" not "feedback from one thread on the English forum" I think that this isn't exactly a vocal minority situation. Basically, everyone hated this change. Apart from that guy who wants healing loot without being able to play a healer up there ^.

[Hasrat]

Uhm there is the first part of the Ivalice raid you know?

I did kinda forget to add my final point. I do firmly believe that SB raids should never have lost Need. The gear hasn't been made entirely obsolete yet, as far as I know. There may be better, but it's all part of the current treadmill. (note, not a current-content player, so opinion on that subject is cloudy at best).

I'm gonna spoiler the following, just because honestly I'm needlessly arguing a dumb point at length. tl;dr, I still say it's a huge stretch to call ARR/HW raids viable gear catch-up methods.

Re: ARR/HW raid gear still being viable, worth keeping in mind that 2.x MSQ dumps a full set of i110 gear on you, making anything but WoD gear unnecessary. By the time it takes a player to get to WoD for that gear to be viable, they could as easily be upgrading with Ishgard vendor gear, HW quest rewards, Stone Vigil loot. Additionally, player will be receiving plenty of first-time bonus poetics as they progress through said raids, as well as MSQ trials and dungeons. Idunno what it all maths out to, but I would wager that by the time the player has access to WoD gear, they should have enough poetics for some upgrades already. (this is all assuming that player isn't some weirdo bee-lining straight for these raids as soon as they clear 2.0 and ignoring every other bit of progression they could be making)

I haven't made it through 3.x or the associated raids, so can't comment as much, but I choose to assume it's a similar situation. MSQ gives you a catch-up set, free first-time bonus poetics, it'd be easier to just progress story to get to SB gear rather than trying to "gear up" with raids.

[Ekimmak]

Token systems mildly bug me on an immersion level, since you'd expect to find the gear *inside* the dungeon, not in Rowena's shop.

But I'd say I'd rather that than an all-greed system. Make each boss drop a token (once a week for the current alliance raid), and have the total of a raid's run add up to one piece of gear of your choice.

It would mildly punish people who opt to "join party in progress", though.

[Rofel]

Community consensus was your need for glamour is no greater than my need for seals.

I really don't remember reading any of this consensus. At least not in here on the OF or Reddit, since its easy and quicker to run Sohm Al unsync and get every item in 10 minutes.

[Penthea]

Community consensus was your need for glamour is no greater than my need for seals. It's honestly amazing how quickly the opinion on that seemed to reverse when players lost their roll advantage.

I have never heard of a community consensus on glam vs seals.

Personally I think that glam trumps seals. There is a multitude of ways to get seals, but for the majority of glam gear there is only one way and at most it's two. Certainly for alliance gear there is only one way to get those gear models as glam. The argument that someone needs alliance gear for seals is weak at best when there are so many ways to generate seals.

[Rogatum]

Funny, I could call the people who didn't like "Need" the same thing.

The need side did win due to town outcries, their cries were heard the loudest. Not saying that it is a bad thing, but let us not pretend that either side was not crying over the change and defending their preferred loot system tooth and nail.

[Anatha]

Maybe they can implement a system where while queuing for any given duty, you can choose what job you wish to roll for loot as(granted that you can only pick a job with the required level to join).

It's been done in other games, fairly well. You make a deliberate choice of what you have access to loot wise, perhaps it even shuts out your ability to greed on other loot as well.

But you get to go with what you know and roll on alt gear, everyone's happy? Probably not.

[Penthea]

Maybe they can implement a system where while queuing for any given duty, you can choose what job you wish to roll for loot as(granted that you can only pick a job with the required level to join).

It's been done in other games, fairly well. You make a deliberate choice of what you have access to loot wise, perhaps it even shuts out your ability to greed on other loot as well.

And what happens when most of the alliance decide to set their looting status to the same role and the one person who is actually playing that role gets to see the caster dps gear they need go to a bard? That's some of the same crap we have been seeing already with this greed only ridiculousness which prompted people to go to the forums and demand need rolls to be brought back.

The only way your suggestion would work without ruining another player's day is by having a system similar to WoW's personal loot, which is when the boss dies you may or may not gear that goes straight to your bags. No rolls, no bids, nothing like that.