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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    Oh I know, I wanted to have them out of it since we cant say it for sure but it would probably be naive to believe that they would not cost real money too..and since they said that more stuff might come for the coins..yeah not a good way.
    You are right though I'm feeling a bit on the salty side since they announced this right at the end and all it really soured my mood. I think I'll park myself in the lochs for the time beign
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berethos View Post
    Oh noes! That 1 extra MB transaction a day is going to kill FFXIV!

    Gimme a break.
    found a white knight, gimmie a break you are blind to see problems.

    this app is EA level of shadyness
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  3. #63
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    From reddit and I whole heartedly agree.

    "Sorry, we can't expand inventory space because oh no the servers can't handle it! Also we're expanding inventory space but only if you pay an extra fee on your already P2P game.

    This is insulting."
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  4. #64
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    Celie Lothaire
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    I am just annoyed that they probably used our sub to create something that has most of it good stuff behind money.
    They probably used the majority of our sub to fund the content and other QoL development in 4.3.

    I'd also not be surprised if part of the premium fee on the mobile app is meant to recoup costs of developing the mobile app.
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  5. #65
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    Never thought I'd find myself writing this but WoW is looking increasingly attractive.

    I am already paying extra to have alts, I am already paying for an extra retainer, I'm not paying for this.
    If they had simply given us more storage in-game (even locked behind a one off payment) alongside an in-game calendar, I'd have been happy. Adding a more complicated system along with a pay-wall just leaves a sour taste.
    Amazing how much effort they can put in when there's hard cash involved, amazing how much storage we can have if we pay extra for it.

    I'm feeling increasingly ripped-off and disillusioned with this game.
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    Last edited by Solarra; 04-14-2018 at 10:15 PM.

  6. #66
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berethos View Post
    They probably used the majority of our sub to fund the content and other QoL development in 4.3.

    I'd also not be surprised if part of the premium fee on the mobile app is meant to recoup costs of developing the mobile app.
    BS!
    They do not even put money into this game at the level they take in from people, then there is this more greed on top of it?
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  7. #67
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vstarstruck View Post
    found a white knight, gimmie a break you are blind to see problems.

    this app is EA level of shadyness
    They've got a long way to go to reach EA levels. Did you already forget about the lootbox issues with Star Wars Battlefront 2, and their long history of shadyness before that?

    Also, I do see issues with it, just not the same issues most of you other whiners are seeing.

    It's an app designed around what's accepted in Japanese culture, rather than a more world-wide approach to its features, which is going to cause friction. It's an extra cost that doesn't deliver a whole lot for that extra cost (despite what some claim, the premium features are not extensive, not game changing in the slightest - there's a real tempest in a teapot situation going on with that one). The moogle coins element does concern me, but I'm not going to cry and moan or even comment much until I know how they intend for it to work and what kind of limitations will or will not be in place.

    But even though I have these problems with it, I also recognize that its impact on my gameplay experience will be negligible at best - I'll get the free version and get an extra lower cost teleportation spot.

    Whoop. De. Freakin. Do.

    If that makes me a white knight, then I'll be over here polishing my armor while you're busy making another complaint thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vstarstruck View Post
    BS!
    They do not even put money into this game at the level they take in from people, then there is this more greed on top of it?
    The time spent on the content for the game in 4.3 was done for free?

    Do the devs know that?

    If you've got any more silly things to add, please hurry, I've got errands to run.
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    Last edited by Berethos; 04-14-2018 at 09:58 PM.

  8. #68
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    It's an inventory management app where you need to pay to manage retainer inventory.. which is where the overwhelming majority of your inventory space is. Even if you just have the two retainers.

    Does the free version of this even really have a point aside from chatting? Inventory management that excludes most of your inventory unless you pay extra is a farce.

    They can't fix all kinds of serious in game problems because of budget and server limitations, but they can afford to develop this shameless cash grab?

    Yeah, no. Lets call this what it really is.
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    Survivor of Housing Savage 2018.
    Discord: Tridus#2642

  9. #69
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    Nomfur Farredzasyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berethos View Post
    Oh noes! That 1 extra MB transaction a day is going to kill FFXIV!

    Gimme a break.
    It's a slippery slope though. I think they're intentionally starting small so more people are OK with it. Like with politicians and the sweeping changes to policy. They do it a small bit at a time, bit by bit, so less people kick up a stink. But over time, it snowballs. I can't put it past Square Enix to do the same here. Renting retainers, etc (which I am a part of the problem as I rent 2, but that's to have each type of retainer venture covered, I won't go beyond that as it doesn't add more types of venture), the insane amounts of cash shop items (which again I'm contributing towards). But I draw the line here. I'm not even convinced I'm going to install this app at all, even the free version.
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    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

  10. #70
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berethos View Post

    I've taken the liberty of bolding the premium parts that might have a more significant impact on your gameplay experience. Maybe. If you're a hoarder and can't manage an inventory properly.
    So 8 things behind free version and 5 more things to use when you pay for it. (And lets be honest, these five points are probably those that are worth the most to the community. Since retainer management, more inventory through the saddle bags and theoretically even one more retainer which you can use to store and sell stuff are really interesting) If we say that the app can have 13 functions, you can only get to 8 without paying it. That is around 61% of the app and far away from your 90%. And this is only numbers and not just the importance of each function itself.

    Also you bolded those that might have more impact. Interesting how those are all behind the paywall. Which is exactly what my post is about. You cant do 90% of the app for free and the most interesting ones are costing you money. How is that good?

    Even more if you look at it in that way: You can chat and plan events outside of this app already thanks to stuff like discord. And you can also seemingly just chat with those that also own the app.


    Quote Originally Posted by Berethos View Post
    They probably used the majority of our sub to fund the content and other QoL development in 4.3.

    I'd also not be surprised if part of the premium fee on the mobile app is meant to recoup costs of developing the mobile app.
    You know whats also interesting? That WoW had an App too (they took it down recently as far as I know) and it was completely free.

    Why even take the money do to something like that? This app was talked about for such a long time and probably needs staff to look and work on it. All of that is money. For a chat that you can already do with discord, invites that still need people online to do it. With MB that you can either do once a day or twice (or x often if they can be done with coins too..) The retainer management also makes only sense to me if you use that to sell stuff which you still can do only twice a day if you pay.

    So we are left with increase of retainer and chocobo saddle. Did we really need an app for that? Couldnt they have taken all that money that is put into this and will be put into it and just increased inventory for all of us?

    Honestly the april fool FF14 Go was much more interesting than this. (For me at least)
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    Last edited by Alleo; 04-14-2018 at 10:02 PM.
    Letter from the Producer LIVE Part IX Q&A Summary (10/30/2013)
    Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?
    A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

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