I'm deeply troubled

[Transient_Shadow]

Ok I need to get this off my chest. For a while now I've felt that healer glamours have been neglected to what I call the "healer desu" motif. And my previous posts were met with various responses. However later on it became apparent that it wasn't just healers but all male characters that were being left in the dark.

What's troubling me the most about this is the actual responses from the devs and community reps. When asked about the male bunny outfits Yoshi P actually said the male devs were actually uncomfortable (I don't have a direct quote) with the male form so the delegated it to a group of women. I can't begin to tell you how problematic this is. Its unprofessional and blatantly admits that the devs have a bias against male character glamours. to the point that they relegate employees who they think 'can handle' the male form. and it was SO low priority that it took several years to accomplish a promised product.

And when this is brought up in the forums we're given responses like these.

Hello, everyone!

Since we’re constantly taking various factors into consideration when deciding on the release time frame for gear, there may be instances, such as this, where female-specific gear is released back-to-back. With that said, we do want to assure you that we’re preparing male-specific gear to be released in the future, so we hope you're looking forward to it!

This response tells us absolutely nothing. It only gives an empty promise that male gear will be released in the 'future' (an extremely broad term). Not only that but it fails to specify in what avenue the male gear will be released. Will it be craftable gear, dungeon, or cash shop? I have a feeling they're referring to cash shop items and if this is the case then it completely ignores the problem all together. Players shouldn't have to fork over a premium just to feel included in glamours.

All together I'm loosing faith in the communication between the players and staff. They've openly admitted to a dangerous bias that WILL cause conflicts of interest when it comes to what the fans want and devs staying in the comfort zone. It honestly feels like the Mercy nerfs in overwatch where blizzard simply ignored feed back and did what they wanted regardless of hundreds of posts. I don't want SE to become like this but their actions have made me loose faith.

[KaivaC]

...Japanese culture is known to be very conservative about a lot of things. It's not exactly fair to expect their views on certain things to match that of Western developers like Blizzard. Nor is it wrong. Just different cultures, expectations, and beliefs on certain topics. You say you lose faith in the devs, but similar posters seem to forget that there are a lot of differences between the Western and Eastern cultures. Heck, the Western culture has massive differences in itself alone.

[Mikki]

...Japanese culture is known to be very conservative about a lot of things. It's not exactly fair to expect their views on certain things to match that of Western developers like Blizzard. Nor is it wrong. Just different cultures, expectations, and beliefs on certain topics. You say you lose faith in the devs, but similar posters seem to forget that there are a lot of differences between the Western and Eastern cultures. Heck, the Western culture has massive differences in itself alone.

Um no, as someone who lives in Japan and has a Japanese boyfriend I can tell you this isn't just a "cultural difference" and we shouldn't be accepting this. Even my boyfriend said when I asked him if it was acceptable by Japanese culture "Wow, no it's not at all acceptable. That's really lame".

And anyway, how is it that they can give men speedos and subligar and be cool with it but then when it comes to bunny outfits, oh no. That's just too far?

[akaneakki]

And anyway, how is it that they can give men speedos and subligar and be cool with it but then when it comes to bunny outfits, oh no. That's just too far?

I doubt very many, cares if they give male bunny suit. It's the fact ratio of glam in this game is not even half-half. Females get more female only gear, way more than males. I'd like to see more male only gear, which would be cool. But god forbid it's a bad thing to want male exlusive gear more often, because then you suddenly are againt's the bunny outfit on men.

You forgot those damn heels :/

I see heels in both, so dunno what you on about. And explain to me why heels are very importent? I think the gear looks good.
And honestly I don't get the whole have a hole in front. Someone needs to deeply explain why that is such a importent thing on the gear, maybe I'm missing something.

[SannaR]

So do you actually want the mini skirts and the basically panties with two metal tabs the ladies have gotten for the whm only gear on your guy? Just wondering. Healer/Cleric is the iconic look and always been a robe and the 1st ff whm was a guy. Orisen set came from XI and the main difference is the robe is slightly more dress like and the hat. 7th heaven at least guys get actual pants and no fan at the back of it that clips into weapons and long hair choices. I get wanting to have more male stuff but if you're main complaint is the jse then you're closing off a lot of shared gear from crafting, dungeons and tomes that you can use for glamour just have to play mix n match. I'm all for more male glamour and I do get the difficulties in glamouring certain races as some things look better on others. Like Au Ra and tattoo tops; most go over or run into the scales where it ruins the tat.

[Iscah]

7th heaven at least guys get actual pants and no fan at the back of it that clips into weapons and long hair choices.

I got to see the male version of the Seventh Heaven gear the other day and I like it better. And ACTUAL PANTS as you say. Likewise for the Lv70 bard gear.

[Berethos]

I got to see the male version of the Seventh Heaven gear the other day and I like it better. And ACTUAL PANTS as you say. Likewise for the Lv70 bard gear.

Our Bard pants make me sad - there's a nice little extra side bit on the shorts that looks nice...

That disappears as soon as you put on the coat (or 90% of chest pieces - anything that extends past the waist even just a bit).

[Lukha]

I got to see the male version of the Seventh Heaven gear the other day and I like it better. And ACTUAL PANTS as you say.

I would trade you in a heartbeat. The panties female WHM regularly get aren't QUITE what I want for my character, but they would be a million times better than the generic pair of slacks males get instead, that look just like the generic slacks we got for...almost every single other set in the game. And don't even get me started on the Skalla set; the shorts + stockings from the original contest design are the #1 thing I have wanted for glamour for YEARS at this point, and when the set finally made it in-game I spammed Skalla for ages for them only to find out that they're...yet another pair of ugly pants for me.

This is even worse than the Skalla set, though; this set was designed on a MALE CHARACTER, so if it turns out the female version is closer to the original design than the male version, SE is going to have some serious explaining to do.

[Kling-Klang]

They really have a problem with sexy male gear.

Thanks for useless changes to a good outfit.

[Odstarva]

They really have a problem with sexy male gear.

Thanks for useless changes to a good outfit.

I still think it's a good outfit. Did the crotch edit really ruin the outfit for you?

I mean... Come on.