STR/PIE/ATK Testing

[carraway]

Haha, all right. Thanks for your hard work thus far, Seiken. We're trying to eyeball the effects of increased STR vs. ATK on Mistress for our MNKs, but it's difficult with how much variation there is in WS damage, especially crits.

[Silvano]

In terms of the Base Damage having a relationship to the stat caps, I saw an increase in damage with a Hart Guisarme (post) with 339/394/549 (STR/PIE/Attack Power) vs 324/279/549. It was on lower-level mobs, and only 30 trials, but that seems awfully close to the 350/300 caps on Ifrit's Harpoon...I know the Ifrit will obviously do much more damage with the higher base damage, but just thought I'd post (some-what) relevant information.

[Seiken]

So looking over your numbers, I noticed the huge difference between your Doom Spike min/max. You have +/- 11.4% from your min/max midpoint. For every test i've done, I've found +/-8% to be the limit. I'm not too sure about this, but I think the Wild Hogs have a Defense buff that changes their Defense value. So I think your numbers might be off because of that. Not too sure though.

Thanks for the testing info~

[Silvano]

So looking over your numbers, I noticed the huge difference between your Doom Spike min/max. You have +/- 11.4% from your min/max midpoint. For every test i've done, I've found +/-8% to be the limit. I'm not too sure about this, but I think the Wild Hogs have a Defense buff that changes their Defense value. So I think your numbers might be off because of that. Not too sure though.

Thanks for the testing info~

Ah. I must do this again with more #s of Halberdiers; I want to know the cap on the Hart to know what accessories to use whilst I wait for my Ifrit Harpoon :3

[Krono]

Ah. I must do this again with more #s of Halberdiers; I want to know the cap on the Hart to know what accessories to use whilst I wait for my Ifrit Harpoon :3

Less time TC'ing, more time farming Ifrit! Go, go! =P

[Krausus]

So looking over your numbers, I noticed the huge difference between your Doom Spike min/max. You have +/- 11.4% from your min/max midpoint. For every test i've done, I've found +/-8% to be the limit. I'm not too sure about this, but I think the Wild Hogs have a Defense buff that changes their Defense value. So I think your numbers might be off because of that. Not too sure though.

Thanks for the testing info~

yes the hogs do have a defensive buff

[DoctorZoidberg]

Hello, DrZ here. Long time listener, first time caller. I have noticed that a lot people are still choosing to put Crit Attk+ on their bodies over piety. Is piety the better option even when considering the forced crit ws damage and such. Thanks to any who respond.

[Seiken]

For DrZ: http://kanican.livejournal.com/

Kaeko and I did crit testing in patch 1.20. You can see the correlation between adding Crit Power materia and how much the damage from crits increases. One important thing to note is that unlike most other stats, Crit Power is a %increase in total crit damage. You would see the maximum benefit from stacking Crit Power when using attacks that deal high damage (such as Doomspike). So to answer your question, it depends on how much damage your WSs do to the enemy your fighting. If you're doing like 100-200 damage, you'd probably be better off just stacking STR/PIE instead of focusing on Crit Power. Or if you're comfortable with gear swapping, just gear swap crit gear before doing a Blindside Doomspike. The Crit Rate for high level mobs is really low (like 5-8%), so the odds of you landing any of your high damage WSs without Blindside is really low.

Hope this helps,

Seiken~

[ejiboo]

was messing around with Ifrit.

these are while tanking on WAR, 1 run each and i just took the value in the average box from the latest BG parser. the AA is all messed up cause i attack the nail close to ifrit but the rest of it should give a general idea. the AF vs. 3 is really weird - who knows what happened, maybe i didn't record it with food on/off. was using smoked raptor.



AF Gear
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str 255 - vit 322 - att 496
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AA 39 - HS 80 - SS 113 - SC 506 - BS 75


Good Gear
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str 356 - vit 339 - att 576
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AA 41 - HS 149 - SS 165 - SC 634 - BS 242 - M 253 - GB 186


Good Gear 2 - -36VIT +36STR
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str 392 - vit 306 - att 576
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AA 38 - HS 152 - SS 189 - SC 587 - BS 170 - M 169 - GB 170


Good Gear 3 - -50STR +10VIT +10att
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str 306 - vit 349 - att 586
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AA 35 - HS 111 - SS 150 - SC 481 - BS 192 - M 158 - GB 154