There still was a lot of 8v8 in 4.0 which yea it was harder to kill but at least you don't run for 5 mins to go hit ice or and objective. Nothing but pvp in 8v8 and it's never going teach anyone how to ranked but at least like I said it's pure pvp, less toxicity cause face it who cares it's 8v8 no ranks matter it's just an arena style.