Lockboxes prove there is an inventory management problem with this game

[Vstarstruck]

You're really making it worst on yourself by letting them sit there, just saying.

Well, if you want to toss free gil away since I've made 320,000 on Craftsman's Cunning VI that I earn through Eureka, more power to you, I guess...? I don't know what the going rate on Ragnarok is, but free gil without me crafting or gathering is free gil.

I find it funny YOU are attacking me in a passive/aggressive manner, while not understanding what free means. You act like that gil matters, I guess sitting there clicking stuff, running back and forth to places, wasting 2-9 hrs total on betting on RNG to give you a nice VI materia is worth that time sink to you.

It is completely worthless to me, that "gain" even the best case of luck, is not worth dealing with the time it takes to trade it. No i is not free, you are spending time doing so. I tried to explain this before even, several times. I do not want to deal with these lockboxes because the time sink makes it not worth doing, that is the problem with this design flaw. (also last I hard your econ is pretty inflated, making 320k very small and hardly worth anything)

If I end up collecting over 3 stacks without a fix, 4th stack + will just be tossed, not even cashing them in, maybe that will help you understand how worthless the items are to me when compared to that unjustified time sink due to bad design, I do not want to do.

Today's most common answer is one of those answers that are so deceptively simple that it seems obvious when you know it. But then remember that it took economists more than a hundred years to figure it out: Something is worth whatever you think it is worth. In 1st century BC, Publilius Syrus wrote: "Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it".

In other words that 320k you care about would be no different then 0 gil if i had it, the difference to me would not change anything, literally worthless, so this makes the time investment not worth doing, it takes too much time in clicking to get such a low to worthless result. I am not willing to trade time and stress for those kinds of results, such acts provoking severe carpal tunnel syndrome. A game should not be impacting physical health. SE also has a history with this, though not with FFXIV:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news...Induces-Puking

Also I was stating a fact, I was stating what happened to me, and my view points from it, there is no exaggerating involved, so you can't say I was talking about opinions. Unless you are complaining the opinion itself is exaggerating, and that would not make sense since you never explained how, it is likely you are not understanding something, seeing you can't see how I value time spent, it seems likely. I do have 1800 lockboxes and I do not want to deal with the inventory bloat they make and the time spent clicking each one, then licking again to toss out all the useless items, like the thread I linked, for the same reasons in the thread I linked. I do not get where the misunderstanding lies.

You really think what I linked is exaggerated? what part exactly?:

So, after having finished the Eureka farm (15/15 weapons + sets), I had saved up a total of 13682 Anemos lockboxes (I got more in total but didn't save the early ones).

I decided to open them all at the end and post the data. Opening the boxes as well as recording the findings took a little over 9 hours, some muscle pain, mental frustration and determination.

Some people are really dedicated in showing how bad something is designed.

9 hours of constantly clicking one button, with the few breaks of demptying your inventory to an NPC is not very interesting gameplay.

[Deceptus]

Not true, so far I have made 20 million gil off the materia alone. When a stack of 6 savage aim/might materia, grade VI, sell for 350k+ per stack(6 in a stack) and I have 20 stacks to sell, per retainer, thats a ton of gil. Maybe my rng was good? But, I can make a million a day off the materia alone. I just sell the gear, mount, barding and sparklers/prisms. I sell the minions on the mb too.

Meanwhile on Behemoth the Materia market has crashed.

[Anarnee]

This is something I hope they learn from going forward.

The boxes in PoTD were not nearly as tedious because we got less.

What's even worst is that we get so many of these and there are so few good things that come from the lockboxes.

[Nestama]

I never really had an issue with inventory bloat caused by Eureka, as I don't hoard lockboxes (after every Eureka run, I hand them in. Usually only spending 10-20 minutes doing this, with plenty of inventory space to spare). Just because one person let themselves collect 10k+ lockboxes doesn't mean majority of the playerbase also does this (though to those who do: why? what's preventing you from handing them in in-between runs, or straight up tossing them?).

9 completely avoidable hours.

[Seig345]

Your viewpoints on the matter are not fact, it is only a fact that they are your viewpoint.

Maybe the gil is worthless to you, but the same doesn’t objectively hold true for everyone else.

Again, your argument here seems based on your perspective while the topic name implies there is something objectively wrong.

You would probably get more productive discussion if you conceded to the issue applying to certain players, rather than just blast your opinion as fact on behalf of the rest of us.

[Krokov]

I never really had an issue with inventory bloat caused by Eureka, as I don't hoard lockboxes (after every Eureka run, I hand them in. Usually only spending 10-20 minutes doing this, with plenty of inventory space to spare). Just because one person let themselves collect 10k+ lockboxes doesn't mean majority of the playerbase also does this (though to those who do: why? what's preventing you from handing them in in-between runs, or straight up tossing them?).

9 completely avoidable hours.

I'm save them up so I don't have to go back and get more so quickly.

[Nalfein]

No I am not. My thread got derailed because people want to white knight SE.

Your thread derailed because you always complain and bash people with walls of text that barely make sense.....but hey nice try reusing a title of an antique failure thread of yours to own a victory over the internet.

[Nestama]

I'm save them up so I don't have to go back and get more so quickly.

You do know there's an NPC outside of Eureka who does lockbox hand-ins, right? Why not hand them in while waiting for a duty to pop, or a party to fill up?

[Vstarstruck]

Your viewpoints on the matter are not fact, it is only a fact that they are your viewpoint.

Maybe the gil is worthless to you, but the same doesn’t objectively hold true for everyone else.

You are twisting what was said. I stated it is not an exaggeration on the FACT it took me 2 hours to move items across retainers for my SO (since people want to derail this and reference another thread they derailed)

It is also a fact it took this person 9 hours of the topic I linked here. None of what I say is an exaggeration, those are facts. No where was I linking that to what I feel is worthless or not, how did you get that message?

my main point is I do not state exaggerations with this issue, I just like it to be addressed.

I never really had an issue with inventory bloat caused by Eureka, as I don't hoard lockboxes (after every Eureka run, I hand them in. Usually only spending 10-20 minutes doing this, with plenty of inventory space to spare). Just because one person let themselves collect 10k+ lockboxes doesn't mean majority of the playerbase also does this (though to those who do: why? what's preventing you from handing them in in-between runs, or straight up tossing them?).

9 completely avoidable hours.

Your questions was answered in the link:

While it's true it might be less of a mental strain to open them after each session, fact is that it'll still require the same amount of time in the end (likely longer since u can be more effective while opening lots at once). I simply wanted to complete the farm as fast as possible and that's partly why I waited with opening so many of them for so long ^

Uhm... I've mostly been doing Eureka since it came out to be honest. A few raids on the side and some errands IRL etc... It's hard to estimate how fast I gained crystals because it differed by which NM (or FATEs) had been killed already when I entered etc.

The total amount of Anemos crystals required, assuming the average gain is 3.5 proteans per anemos is, however 29679 and if I were to guess, I'd say I got maybe 250-350 crystals in 3h at an average.

So yeah it was avoidable if they simply tossed each 999 stack at a time and never bothered with them, but some stated doing that is tossing a lot of gil?

It dm what you think the Marjory has to deal with. I do not even deal with them at all because of this issue. I tried like 10 and said ,nope not doing this 1800 more times. THAT was from simply GETTING level 20.

[LeoLupinos]

I think that if FFXIV is not Inventory management reference, then it lacks. Just because It's a paid and Subs + cash shop I expect that much.
Giving that it took 17 months to actually develop Eureka, did they never even think about how bad inventory could be? Even after developing such good systems as Diadem spoils? Something is very wrong.