Lockboxes prove there is an inventory management problem with this game

[Vstarstruck]

Btw OP: this isnt your main character right? I mean according to the lodestone you're only lv60 with nothing else. And you have to be lv70 to get into eureka.
Just asking.

Why does it matter though? but yes, you are correct

[Sigma-Astra]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...oxes_and_some/

I feel the other thread I made is a lost cause so I thought I try to explain matters in a different way.

This game lacks inventory space in the sense the game overbloats us with items. Every patch it is always something to make it worse. eureka is moving to its 4th week and it puts too much strain though lockboxes. Why does the game give us so many lockboxes to deal with? it is too many items. I do not even bother turning them in because of the overbloat of items compared to our tiny inventory space.

All they needed to do was make eureka stuff into a currency tab, lockboxes should be in currency in currency tab, the 2 types of crystals should be put in inventory tab.

No they pick the most inventory bloat methods possible for reasons?

Inventory bloat...? You're not suppose to keep everything in an MMO? Are you literally going to keep all of those Sharlayan Wardrobes? Those useless fireworks? Minions that you can only use one time instead of selling or giving them away to buddies? All of that Anemos glamour crap? Or the Level V Materia?

No, you're going to either get rid of useless fluff or turn all of that level V materia into crafting and gathering materia (hopefully, based on RNG) that sells for more....you're going to turn those VI's that you don't need into crafting/gathering materia to sell as well.

Seriously, you're exaggerating the lockbox situation as you did with the storage topic and if anything sucks, it's the idea that we have to do one lockbox at a time when you have like 250 to go through. But, lots of people have made macros for that.
Furthermore, why isn't your SO using those Sigma currencies for gear? That's a question you should really be asking and if they aren't using the normal Sigma gear....why are they lotting on it then...? Heck, why are they running it then?

[Vstarstruck]

Inventory bloat...? You're not suppose to keep everything in an MMO? Are you literally going to keep all of those Sharlyan Wardrobes? Those useless fireworks? Minions that you can only use one time instead of selling or giving them away to buddies? All of that Anemos glamour crap? Or the Level V Materia?

No, you're going to either get rid of useless fluff or turn all of that level V materia into crafting and gathering materia (hopefully, based on RNG) that sells for more....you're going to turn those VI's that you don't need into crafting/gathering materia to sell as well.

Seriously, you're exaggerating the lockbox situation as you did with the storage topic and if anything sucks, it's the idea that we have to do one at a time really.

it takes too long to deal with, did you read the link at all? it took 9 hours to deal with.

I am not exaggerating anything. I am giving you a fact. I do not want to even deal with the lockboxes because it takes too long to do so, because of the insane inventory bloat behind them.

You just want to deflate the problem, for whatever reason, underestimating how long it takes to deal with that, esp when you are talking about converting the materia and such, the only way to make it reasonable is to toss it all that you got more then 1 of, even the materia and such, so you can find the mount and other rare stuff. Even then, that is too much clicking, hence what i linked was complaining about.

It is not exaggerating to say I am not going to trade in 1800 lockboxes from the time sink and excessive clicking it takes to do that. You may not think it is a problem, maybe your hands are immune to carpal tunnel. I do not know, nor do I care. I find it insulting to claim I am over exaggerating though.

For "why are you keeping sigma currency" you do realize YOU HAVE TO?!?!?! if you go after legs and body, that's 4 weeks of not being able do anything with an item, then once you do hit that 4th week, on the 5th week you are holding again! never ends, and 7 weeks for weapon.

"Seriously, you're underestimating the lockbox situation as you did with the storage topic"

[Sigma-Astra]

I am not exaggerating anything. I am giving you a fact.

Other people's opinions, including your own, are not facts. Facts are backed by historical or scientific evidence like the idea that cheetahs can break speeds of 68-75 mph when they run in short bursts. Someone complaining that it took them 9 hours to open MMO lockboxes is a personal opinion that some people or none at all need to take seriously.

I do not want to even deal with the lockboxes because it takes too long to do so, because of the insane inventory bloat behind them.

You're really making it worst on yourself by letting them sit there, just saying.

You just want to deflate the problem, for whatever reason, underestimating how long it takes to deal with that, esp when you are talking about converting the materia and such, the only way to make it reasonable is to toss it all that you got more then 1 of, even the materia and such, so you can find the mount and other rare stuff. Even then, that is too much clicking, hence what i linked was complaining about.

Well, if you want to toss free gil away since I've made 320,000 on Craftsman's Cunning VI that I earn through Eureka, more power to you, I guess...? I don't know what the going rate on Ragnarok is, but free gil without me crafting or gathering is free gil.

It is not exaggerating to say I am not going to trade in 1800 lockboxes from the time sink and excessive clicking it takes to do that. You may not think it is a problem, maybe your hands are immune to carpal tunnel. I do not know, nor do I care. I find it insulting to claim I am over exaggerating though.

Again, that's why I said you're making it harder on yourself in the long run by hoarding 1,800 lockboxes, but you do you....I'm sure later down the road you'll make another topic where you blame everyone else around you, including SE, because they told you through sweet whispers that you should hoard 1,800 lockboxes. And darling, I've worked on computers all of my life because my job requires me to be in front of a screen, I probably already have carpal tunnel...hell, I've got reading glasses now for computer work. I'm pretty sure I'll get carpal tunnel faster from typing on my laptop than from holding a controller unless you click things with a death grip. I should find it insulting that you immediately restort towards strawman tactics over health concerns not even relevant towards the conversation because I merely said that you were blowing things out of proportion, dialing a situation that's at 2 to 150 and now you're suddenly hostile that I used "mean words". Which, judging by the fact that you think people telling you to calm down is grounds of an insult. Yea.....

For "why are you keeping sigma currency" you do realize YOU HAVE TO?!?!?! if you go after legs and body, that's 4 weeks of not being able do anything with an item, then once you do hit that 4th week, on the 5th week you are holding again! never ends, and 7 weeks for weapon.

Well, you could run Savage content or use your crystals to make Anemos relic gear and then you won't have to hold Sigma normal currencies...? Or get crafted gear? I mean, you've got other options. Sigma normal has been out for how many weeks now? How many shafts and springs are they holding out exactly? Unless they started Sigma normal late into the game, but by now, most people have at least one of their tome weapons.

"Seriously, you're underestimating the lockbox situation as you did with the storage topic"

Being passive aggressive and belligerent isn't winning you any brownie points here. Also, that reverse psychology won't work. Nice try.

[Avatre]

You're really making it worst on yourself by letting them sit there, just saying.

Possibly...possibly not. I'm also holding onto mine hoping against hope that they change how many we can open at once(0.00000000000000000001% chance of it happening quite likely), or changing the rates/items in it to all be trade able. Though, I might sit there once I hit a certain point and just watch a movie while I open them...

[Vstarstruck]

You're really making it worst on yourself by letting them sit there, just saying.

Well, if you want to toss free gil away since I've made 320,000 on Craftsman's Cunning VI that I earn through Eureka, more power to you, I guess...? I don't know what the going rate on Ragnarok is, but free gil without me crafting or gathering is free gil.

I find it funny YOU are attacking me in a passive/aggressive manner, while not understanding what free means. You act like that gil matters, I guess sitting there clicking stuff, running back and forth to places, wasting 2-9 hrs total on betting on RNG to give you a nice VI materia is worth that time sink to you.

It is completely worthless to me, that "gain" even the best case of luck, is not worth dealing with the time it takes to trade it. No i is not free, you are spending time doing so. I tried to explain this before even, several times. I do not want to deal with these lockboxes because the time sink makes it not worth doing, that is the problem with this design flaw. (also last I hard your econ is pretty inflated, making 320k very small and hardly worth anything)

If I end up collecting over 3 stacks without a fix, 4th stack + will just be tossed, not even cashing them in, maybe that will help you understand how worthless the items are to me when compared to that unjustified time sink due to bad design, I do not want to do.

Today's most common answer is one of those answers that are so deceptively simple that it seems obvious when you know it. But then remember that it took economists more than a hundred years to figure it out: Something is worth whatever you think it is worth. In 1st century BC, Publilius Syrus wrote: "Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it".

In other words that 320k you care about would be no different then 0 gil if i had it, the difference to me would not change anything, literally worthless, so this makes the time investment not worth doing, it takes too much time in clicking to get such a low to worthless result. I am not willing to trade time and stress for those kinds of results, such acts provoking severe carpal tunnel syndrome. A game should not be impacting physical health. SE also has a history with this, though not with FFXIV:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news...Induces-Puking

Also I was stating a fact, I was stating what happened to me, and my view points from it, there is no exaggerating involved, so you can't say I was talking about opinions. Unless you are complaining the opinion itself is exaggerating, and that would not make sense since you never explained how, it is likely you are not understanding something, seeing you can't see how I value time spent, it seems likely. I do have 1800 lockboxes and I do not want to deal with the inventory bloat they make and the time spent clicking each one, then licking again to toss out all the useless items, like the thread I linked, for the same reasons in the thread I linked. I do not get where the misunderstanding lies.

You really think what I linked is exaggerated? what part exactly?:

So, after having finished the Eureka farm (15/15 weapons + sets), I had saved up a total of 13682 Anemos lockboxes (I got more in total but didn't save the early ones).

I decided to open them all at the end and post the data. Opening the boxes as well as recording the findings took a little over 9 hours, some muscle pain, mental frustration and determination.

Some people are really dedicated in showing how bad something is designed.

9 hours of constantly clicking one button, with the few breaks of demptying your inventory to an NPC is not very interesting gameplay.

[ErryK]

Too much clicking in an MMO.

Well, I've seen it all.

[Colt47]

The only major issue is that the seasonal fireworks and other items are, well, not seasonal, and they don't retire old token items from places like Alexander when the next expansion hits. They should just make the old raid token items gray items that can be turned in for some kind of currency and make old Alexander gear purchasable via poetics.

Also, they seriously need alternative ways to get the old primal craft items. There's no way people are going to keep farming bird mounts and eventually all the supply is just going to dry up. This basically already happened with Fiend Sap.

[Fynlar]

As for the lockboxes themselves, the question is: Was this massive lockbox acquisition, consequence of the NM train, really intended from a dev. standpoint?

For the umpteen gazillionth time, yes it was. They wouldn't have made not going after NMs so worthless and made going after NMs the only worthwhile thing to do with your time in Eureka if this was not their "intention" from the start.

[Anarnee]

This is something I hope they learn from going forward.

The boxes in PoTD were not nearly as tedious because we got less.

What's even worst is that we get so many of these and there are so few good things that come from the lockboxes.