Level Sync needed ASAP!

[Mychael]

There were a lot of parties in Ronfaure [S] and Qufim yes, but I can think of countless other areas I have used level sync in, i.e. the usual Dunes, right outside Jeuno on beetles, garliage citadel, crawlers' nest, etc. You are attempting to make it sound like all these parties consisted of was 70s going for the "easy exp", but the fact is for them to party in those areas they needed someone to sync down to, and a lot of time it was new players that, if not for the introduction of level sync, probably wouldn't have gotten a party at all.

I agree.

But I think there were better ways to accommodate new/lower playrs. For example, allowing smaller groups to keep up with 8 person parties for xp gain. Level Sync just has a lot of negative consequences, including easy exp for some players, reduced use of non-optimal zones, forcing higher players to sync down due to availability when they don't want to, etc.

[Nero]

End game is a massive grind (well not in xiv and it's complete lack of content), people don't need to be spending months grinding a job just to join the even bigger grind of gearing up.

If you enjoyed your huge 10k/hr parties pre toau, well, that's on you. toau was a saviour in ffxi as far as levelling went.

Its not about spending Month. Levelsync in FFXI took away a lot of possible Places to XP in. I liked to Exp in Bibiki or Xarc and also a lot of other different Places.. it was friggn bullshit to stay in Quifim until you hit 75, by just rotating in lowlevels. And then you had Level75 and were far away from having maxed Skills. So what to do? Skillparties which took you to Places people couldnt survive due simple lack of knowledge of their own Class. And beside that it even took more time in maxing out your Class, then it would have in a "normal" Party.

Opposed to what, killing Gobs for merit points in Bibiki Bay? Holy crap man you're right, super strategy before Colibris came around.

LoL.. there were way more than "Gobs" in Bibiki btw. Speaking of clueless... lol XD

[Brigandier]

LoL.. there were way more than "Gobs" in Bibiki btw. Speaking of clueless... lol XD

Happy to say I only went to merit there one time out of desperation, about 2 months after ToAU came out. If you're giving anything in Bibiki Bay (gobs, hares, birds, or dhamels) a thumbs up over Colibri, you opinion rates very low in my book.

And then you had Level75 and were far away from having maxed Skills. So what to do?

Good point, this will be very damaging to FFXIV when nobody has maxed skills. Oh wait...

[Nero]

Happy to say I only went to merit there one time out of desperation, about 2 months after ToAU came out. If you're giving anything in Bibiki Bay (gobs, hares, birds, or dhamels) a thumbs up over Colibri, you opinion rates very low in my book.

Before ToAU came live, those Places were the way to rank up. And guess what? After you hit the max level you had also maxed Skills most of the Time and People knew how to Play due the big amount of Time they had to spend more in leveling.

If you think Colibries and fast ranking will result in the same "experience" as a Player of your Class, then you are one of those Players i hated to have around me, asking me shit how to play. Excuse me?

Good point, this will be very damaging to FFXIV when nobody has maxed skills. Oh wait...

You should read again what i said..

[Brigandier]

Before ToAU came live, those Places were the way to rank up. And guess what? After you hit the max level you had also maxed Skills most of the Time and People knew how to Play due the big amount of Time they had to spend more in leveling.

If you think Colibries and fast ranking will result in the same "experience" as a Player of your Class, then you are one of those Players i hated to have around me, asking me shit how to play. Excuse me?

ITT: People who think Bibiki Bay merit parties teach mad skillz.

[Rydin]

HAHAHA... people are still arguing over level sync... Why do you people want it again?

Let's be all the way real... With how level sync would work...
If my brother starting playing this game today.... and there was level sync
I'd sync to his level and start killing Marmots...
after 5 marmots I'd be like F$%& this...
And jump on my 50.... he'd engage a level 8 MOB... I'd one shot it.. rinse and repeat....

Ahh... but thats not to say level sync would be ignored.....
By the time he got to Level 10, he'd find a level 1 to party and sync with.... and then its back to slaughtering Wharf rats and sewer moles....

ok.. so make it so the lowest you can sink to is 20.. then I'd PL him to 30, he'd find someone L20 to sync to.. get them to 30, find someone elses 20... and so on... Never having to fight ANYTHING that my level 50 can't 1 shot

so yea... bring on level sync.... so we, as a community can exploit the shit out of it

[Rokien]

HAHAHA... people are still arguing over level sync... Why do you people want it again?

Let's be all the way real... With how level sync would work...
If my brother starting playing this game today.... and there was level sync
I'd sync to his level and start killing Marmots...
after 5 marmots I'd be like F$%& this...
And jump on my 50.... he'd engage a level 8 MOB... I'd one shot it.. rinse and repeat....

Ahh... but thats not to say level sync would be ignored.....
By the time he got to Level 10, he'd find a level 1 to party and sync with.... and then its back to slaughtering Wharf rats and sewer moles....

ok.. so make it so the lowest you can sink to is 20.. then I'd PL him to 30, he'd find someone L20 to sync to.. get them to 30, find someone elses 20... and so on... Never having to fight ANYTHING that my level 50 can't 1 shot

so yea... bring on level sync.... so we, as a community can exploit the shit out of it

amazing sir. Loves yous! Lets get that pl on!

[ChiefCurrahee]

You're getting desperate Nero,

I NEVER had XP-Parties in Xarca/Glacier/Bibiki/KRT and so on after Levelsync took Place, just because people went lazy and stayed at Quifim/Jungle. They didnt learn to play their Job, they didnt had full ranked Skills, since they were synced down. So it happend that you had People with Level75 Jobs, who didnt have a fucking clue what to do and were totally useless in Endgame, since the Skills werent maxed out. ( My Spells dont stick ?!?!??!? Go get Skillups, damn it !!!!!! )

As I've forgotten that FFXIV uses the same weapon/magic skill up mechanics to determine accuracy and magic potency as XI did.

and FYI NO ONE and I mean NO ONE after RoZ (pre NA launch) used Xarca or the Glacier to exp in. NO ONE. Ever hear of Boyhada tree, the moon gates, and sky? thats where 50-75 happend. and still happened post Level Sync.

Bibiki was used 50-60 because it was easier to get to than the Cape, and safer, and allowed more camps, and didn't require special access to get to like moon gates and sky. KRT was pretty exclusive to 5mnks 1 whm. Unless you're talking about the lv 55ish PTs that went there to level on bats. That camp died waaaaaaaaay before level sync was introduced.

You're complaining of level sync killing exp camps. When in fact those camps went out of style as new zones were introduced.

Post level sync I level'd my dancer through 10-18/20 ish in the dunes went to qufim 20-28ish yes i sync'd there for a bit, hit up the jungles from 28-32ish hit up the citadel til 35, went to crawlers nest til 37, Ronfarue (s) til about 42 back to cralwers nest (harder crawlers / flies) til about 47 (i think) I even XP'd on bats and beetles in the basement of the citadel when i was 48-52ish. I then key'd my way to 75 and leveled in aby til 90.
Sometimes I was the person they level sync'd to, some times I joined a bit of a lower level party, but I never once dipped more then 10 levels below my actual level. I visited many old camps I visited new camps. Camps never changed due to level sync, they changed due to easier mobs of what ever level you currently were.

Remember before CoP, most exp camps involved killing crabs? Why because they didn't have a move that would 1 shot, or an AOE w/ high dmg. So as we leveled up we found higher level crabs.

Level sync didn't kill zones or the leveling experience. Adding new zones killed old favorite camps. Aby killed the leveling experience.

And as for being PL in XI vs XIV.... Two completely different things. PL in XI meant healing from outside the PT. Not killing mobs so you gain xp (until aby was introduced)

@ Rydin,

All SE has to do is eliminate the ability of people outside the PT to attacked claimed mobs. Something I hope they do come Ver 2.0

[Mychael]

Camps never changed due to level sync, they changed due to easier mobs of what ever level you currently were.

Remember before CoP, most exp camps involved killing crabs? Why because they didn't have a move that would 1 shot, or an AOE w/ high dmg. So as we leveled up we found higher level crabs.

I don't understand. You just made the point you tried to tell me I was wrong about. It's all about the TP moves--that's why you pick different kinds of mobs. People find the easiest mobs to level on. What Level sync does is remove the bolded part: "[...]easier mobs of what ever level you currently were." Post-level sync, it was just finding the easiest mobs regardless of level.

Level sync didn't kill zones or the leveling experience.

This is where you're mistaken, my friend. Ronfaure [S] would have replaced other 37~41ish camps without level sync, just as ToAU zones replaced other 60~75 zones. Because of level sync, Ronfaure [S] eliminated many parties in any traditional camp from 37 to 70, simply because the exp couldn't be beaten and/or a full party of players around that level couldn't be found.

Additionally, here's the problem with level sync for non-friends.

Seeking party 1-38:

MRD 12
GLA 30
CNJ 36
ARC 36
CNJ 38
THM 32
LNC 26
THM22

So what happens? If you want a d*mn party, you're going to party at level 12. Is that fair to everyone who's higher than 12?

I guarantee someone's going to say "If you don't want to level sync, you could just solo." So because you don't want to play at lv12 with broken, sync'd-down gear (or buy another gear set), you've got to slow your exp to, compared to a party, a crawl?

[ChiefCurrahee]

Seeking party 1-38:

MRD 12
GLA 30
CNJ 36
ARC 36
CNJ 38
THM 32
LNC 26
THM22

So what happens? If you want a d*mn party, you're going to party at level 12. Is that fair to everyone who's higher than 12?

I guarantee someone's going to say "If you don't want to level sync, you could just solo." So because you don't want to play at lv12 with broken, sync'd-down gear (or buy another gear set), you've got to slow your exp to, compared to a party, a crawl?

Or you could sync to 22, 26, 30 ect ect. Fill the rest up with 38+'s that would like xp or are willing to help. You don't have to hit up the lowest level person thats searchable.

It's about options.


If there are a few people in the high 20's low 30 range that need 3-4 more people to fill up a PT why shouldn't the people that are too high be able to join? There isn't a good reason for them not to. Only thing that keeps them apart is the barrier of the level gap.