The Unofficial "Why is this still a thing" Thread

[Dualgunner]

Not really. Monk is at the top of the DPS charts, so its low utility is understandable. Ninja does have very low dps, but very good utility. Trick Attack is definitely better than Litany or Sight, primarily because it can be used twice between Sights and 3 times between Litany. They also have other prized utility. There's a reason so many people want ninjas. Dragoon losing it's piercing debuff would mean it either needs higher dps, or a different utility to replace it.

Shouldn't Dragoon, which vastly out pDPSes Ninja, lose disembowel solely for the reasons you stated, or take some massive damage nerfs? Nin has TA which can be anywhere between 300 and 400 rdps; drg gets ~250 rdps per ranged on top of all its sight and crit buffs.

[GunksFoy]

Shouldn't Dragoon, which vastly out pDPSes Ninja, lose disembowel solely for the reasons you stated, or take some massive damage nerfs? Nin has TA which can be anywhere between 300 and 400 rdps; drg gets ~250 rdps per ranged on top of all its sight and crit buffs.

Not really for me to decide. But the difference is that Ninja gets this utility no matter the group comp. Dragoon requires a specific group composition. Ninja slots well into any comp, and gains higher increases the more DPS the rest of the group does. Ninja also has shadewalker and smokescreen. That doesn't take into account their slashing debuff that is guaranteed to buff at least 3 party members, potentially 4 or more (though duplicate classes are not ideal, so 4 is the max I would consider.) So overall, I would say: no, dragoon does not need "massive nerfs".