The Unofficial "Why is this still a thing" Thread

[GunksFoy]

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I mean, you could have all Brotherhood, Trick, and Litany all at once as a Bard/Mch, however unlikely. Those skills do different things. I agree there could certainly be another class that has it, but I don't necessarily think Bard AND Machinist should get it. Giving it to all of them either pushes Dragoon out of the meta, increases it's dps, or makes it unfair to the jobs that don't have a slashing debuff. It's all a conundrum. What would be better imo, would be adding a new job in 5.0 with a piercing debuff (or do away with them entirely). Give some variety. Could even give Rdm a piercing debuff to compensate for it's relatively low dps, though they already have massive appeal in progression raiding.

[Dualgunner]

I mean, you could have all Brotherhood, Trick, and Litany all at once as a Bard/Mch, however unlikely. Those skills do different things. I agree there could certainly be another class that has it, but I don't necessarily think Bard AND Machinist should get it. Giving it to all of them either pushes Dragoon out of the meta, increases it's dps, or makes it unfair to the jobs that don't have a slashing debuff. It's all a conundrum. What would be better imo, would be adding a new job in 5.0 with a piercing debuff (or do away with them entirely). Give some variety. Could even give Rdm a piercing debuff to compensate for it's relatively low dps, though they already have massive appeal in progression raiding.

DRG losing Disembowel would put it on level with MNK and NIN for buffs given. If that drives it out of the meta, that just speaks to how OP Piercing is as a buff.

[GunksFoy]

DRG losing Disembowel would put it on level with MNK and NIN for buffs given. If that drives it out of the meta, that just speaks to how OP Piercing is as a buff.

Not really. Monk is at the top of the DPS charts, so its low utility is understandable. Ninja does have very low dps, but very good utility. Trick Attack is definitely better than Litany or Sight, primarily because it can be used twice between Sights and 3 times between Litany. They also have other prized utility. There's a reason so many people want ninjas. Dragoon losing it's piercing debuff would mean it either needs higher dps, or a different utility to replace it.