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    Suggestion: Remove EXP reward to losing teams in Frontlines/Astralogos.

    Respectfully request to remove EXP as a reward to the losing teams in Frontlines and Astralogos to remedy the issue of botting.

    By removing EXP as a reward to the losing teams, SE will make it difficult for cheaters to utilize bots for leveling.

    Along with the removal of EXP as a reward to losing teams, I also suggest providing special rewards (mounts, gear, minions, etc.) within large scale PvP (per Feast season) to bolster the popularity and numbers in PvP in general. Of course, make these rewards attainable to all players in the same manner as the Garo event - So maybe a collaboration event, or fan designed armor and weapons each season (of Feast) for Frontlines and Astralogos.

    I hope these suggestions will be taken into consideration. Thank you! ^_^
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    Last edited by Astrophysx; 04-09-2018 at 10:24 PM. Reason: I want to make this post better. LOL

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    Astralogos?

    Also, not nearly as many people would bother queueing for FLs if there was barely anything to gain for losing. Just look what happened to feast training when the exp was gutted from that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BloodRubyXII View Post
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    Which is why I proposed seasonal rewards that are attractive to players, which in-turn gives an incentive to play and win matches. Specific seasonal/event rewards can also be extended to 4v4 Training Mode, much in the same way you can earn a specific Garo mount from winning several matches of Feast.

    As for 4v4 Training Mode, I agree that it failed in the way you described. LOL By the way, the devs should bring the original 8v8 Training Mode back... simply because I found it fun.

    Anyway, I think the reason we have bots is because of EXP. And by relegating the EXP reward to teams that actually try to win (or at least play the game for fun!), teams with bots will more often lose, thus making the exploitation of the EXP system difficult and inefficient.
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    Or here's an even crazier idea.... How about Square just does something about botting?

    Removing exp may lower the amount of bots queuing slightly, but not enough to really matter. Bots have been a problem in pvp for a while, even quite a ways before exp was a reward. Botting frontlines started becoming rampant around Relic light farming stage. There were also a decent amount of people botting it for achievements specifically.

    Removing any rewards would kill frontlines. It isn't fun enough to play just for the sake of playing anymore, thanks to the trash 4.0 changes. I really don't think there is a solution to this problem under the current development team.
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    Last edited by Kisama; 04-10-2018 at 01:40 AM.

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    I dont know, I think that adding a mount reward would be really attractive (I have friends that are addicted to mounts) but removing the exp would have the opposite effect. Is it this hard to ban bots?
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    Player DrWho2010's Avatar
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    i have yet to see bots in a match in PVP. Is this a problem that's only rampant on Aether data centers? Or is just because i'm not queuing at odd hours?
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    Youd have to find a way to reward players who play the game exp instead of rewarding people based on win/loss conditions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWho2010 View Post
    i have yet to see bots in a match in PVP. Is this a problem that's only rampant on Aether data centers? Or is just because i'm not queuing at odd hours?
    I do not play on other data centers so I cannot say if this is only an Aether issue or not. While the bots are an issue, removing rewards is a double edge sword in my opinion. It would lessen the bots, but I do think it would also lessen the amount of real players. SE simply needs t o allow players to send outside evidence to help speed up investigations regarding bots, but as a company the question would removing all those bots be in the best interest of the company financially. Knowing SE they will try and find a way to make it less convenient for bots but in turn greatly impact non bot users more.

    I do think this all stems for their lack of faith in their content and their inability to create an engaging game mode without resulting to reward baiting.
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    Last edited by Awha; 04-10-2018 at 05:57 AM.

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    Player DrWho2010's Avatar
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    do bots actually fight back? or are they just sitting ducks, doing nothing but follow someone?
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    You'd make it a bit pointless to bring in or swap to a non-70 class if you did, since you will usually lose 50% of the time or so. Better to get full tome rewards than nothing. But at this point they could remove it with no issues; most people have capped and few need to do it with pvp now that we have raid roulette.
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