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    Debeh's Avatar
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    Phlynn Starwind
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    Faerie
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    Black Mage Lv 70

    BLM Job Suggestions

    So the main goal of this post is to post my ideas of some changes that would not only decrease the button bloat of the job but also add more sustained DPS while having to move. Overall, the idea is to increase the jobs DPS reliability in move heavy situations. And before it is mentioned, yes I know BLM can move with Aetherial Manipulation and Between the Lines. This is meant to work along side those ideas. Below are the listed changes I would like to see.



    Again, the goal of this is not to make them OP but to make them more reliable. Please let me know your thoughts.
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    Last edited by Debeh; 04-09-2018 at 08:14 AM.

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    Player Seraphor's Avatar
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Zodiark
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    I don't see the point of these changes besides making transpose op and the level 50 rotation a dull Fire III spam.
    Fire I and Blizzard I still have their uses.

    Freeze doesn't need to be a DoT, we have thunder for that, just make it an instant cast on a cool down and that would be fine.
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    Estarossa Avendesora
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    Sagittarius
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    though pre-60 a.k.a before enochian thingie, you need fire 1 for your single target. you can't replace fire 1 with 3. well at least not until lv60. i think a trait to fire 4 would be nice like fire 3 rn, which makes it instant, so the job becomes mobile.
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    Ferrinus Prime
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    Excalibur
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    The core of BLM is trying to cast as many FireIVs as you can while still casting Fire to maintain AF/Enochian, so I think any BLM overhaul needs to give the relevant skills as early as possible rather than at level 60.

    For instance, Convert could be a thaumaturge skill, while BLM learns Enochian at level 30 and FireIV at level 35. (Maybe just call it "Void Fire" or something and give it lower Potency which grows at level 60 thanks to a trait). That way BLM players are learning to balance their high power, high risk spellcasts against low power, low risk spellcasts for most of their careers rather than only at the end of the first expansion.
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    Player Seraphor's Avatar
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Zodiark
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrinus View Post
    The core of BLM is trying to cast as many FireIVs as you can while still casting Fire to maintain AF/Enochian, so I think any BLM overhaul needs to give the relevant skills as early as possible rather than at level 60.

    For instance, Convert could be a thaumaturge skill, while BLM learns Enochian at level 30 and FireIV at level 35. (Maybe just call it "Void Fire" or something and give it lower Potency which grows at level 60 thanks to a trait). That way BLM players are learning to balance their high power, high risk spellcasts against low power, low risk spellcasts for most of their careers rather than only at the end of the first expansion.
    So they'd learn all their spells and deal with all that skill bloat before level 40, and have nothing else to learn after that?
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    PerrinTaveren's Avatar
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    I don't think there is a skill bloat. Try playing as sch or smn or bard. The core of blm is yes, maintaining fire 4, but new players struggle what fire 1 - ice 1 mechanic is tbh. I have seen it many many times. They think ice 1 is a dps gain too. I think enochian timing is okay, i don't think it needs to be there pre-60. But, when i look at the casters blm has a huge disadvantage. They need to fix that first. They need to make blm more appealing. They will probably buff SAM in 4.3 and it does the same job with more mobility and less required knowledge of the fight thinking how and when it is needed to move etc. The problem right now i think, blm is probably one of the least desirable jobs in end-game because most of the fights in ffxiv doesn't fit the job mechanics. So you need to master the job and master the fight to maximize your dps. Which makes blm very difficult. And it doesn't need to be.
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    So they'd learn all their spells and deal with all that skill bloat before level 40, and have nothing else to learn after that?
    Black mage "skill bloat", if it still exists, comes from stuff like Sleep and Blizzard 2, not the beating heart of their standard rotation. Also, off the top of my head, past 30 or 35 you've still got Blizzard 3, upgrades to your Thunder spells, Flare, Aetherial Manipulation, Blizzard 4 and umbral hearts, Sharpcast, Leylines...
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    Elatus Shadeflare
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    Balmung
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    So they'd learn all their spells and deal with all that skill bloat before level 40, and have nothing else to learn after that?
    Black Mage really don't have skill bloat. Every ability in our roster has a function (save for Freeze, Scathe, Blizzard II and Sleep, but fixing those shouldn't be a problem and they still have niche uses (seriously, Sleep really shines in Eureka, since it's our only interupt ability)) and your basic rotation should still only be about... Four buttons? Seven? (Fire, Fire IV, Thunder III, Fire III, Blizzard III, Blizzard IV (but not actually because Umbral Hearts stink) and Foul for single target, Fire II, Flare, Blizzard IV, Thunder III, Fire III and Foul for AoE.).

    Really, they just need to fix Sleep, Freeze, Scathe and Blizzard II.
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    Ordoric Ambrosuis
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    Midgardsormr
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    id love to give black mage some complexity in the..... i was gona call what we do a rotation but its literally 5 button combination of buttons.
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    Tani Shirai
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    Cactuar
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ordoric View Post
    id love to give black mage some complexity in the..... i was gona call what we do a rotation but its literally 5 button combination of buttons.
    That's more complexity than at least half the job roster, tbh, if considered in terms of # of separable decisions.
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