Discussion on clearing content without your raid group.

[ExKage]

It's a possibility that the raid leader has the mentality that all things must be done together but I find that could be detrimental. When I did progression, the mentality was that once your raid week is done and there weren't any more scheduled raids with the group that you were free to do as you wish. Practice to clear. Clear. Don't raid at all. So long as the group's progression was not hindered (ie chests) then it was actually for the better. You bring back possible tips or suggestions. You yourself in that clear might have gotten upgrades etc. Maybe there's a better way to handle the mechanic than you thought. Maybe they can be using a different aoe heal.

It's also a possibility that you are now seeing a very different mentality about how your group should progress and that this may be an indication that you will in fact not get along with the raid lead.

I'm not sure if your words are correct or if you thought you used the correct word but didn't... How'd you get 'goaded' into progressing? Did you not want to?? If your scheduled raids aren't done, yes you messed up.

[Soupa]

People still raid with statics and groups? Its like destroying friendships with uno or monopoly.

[Paladinleeds]

People still raid with statics and groups? Its like destroying friendships with uno or monopoly.

NEST would like a word with you on that!

As for the OP. Sounds like a group that doesn't jive with you, so you might be best placed to look elsewhere. That's fine, you won't jive with every group. I created a static and lost most of the members because it wasn't what they were expecting (they were expecting more serious progression, something which I am pushing towards, while somehow keeping all of the humour so it's entertaining for people to watch), so it's OK if you don't feel right in that group.

[Soupa]

NEST would like a word with you on that!

Oh no. Heavens forbid there an actual exception to the rule that makes it work because they have wonderful group chemistry. Raided in 2.0, 3.0, and 4.0 never found a static that didn't result in explosions and all my friends leaving, maybe I'm the crummy person I dunno. If I ever raid again it'll be PF Pug only. Statics are a lost cause to me, if you guys make it work great 10/10 go for it. Eureka is my city now.

Oh and hey OP leave your group, your static sounds like a buncha jerks for scolding you for trying to improve yourself on your own.

[Skivvy]

Oh no. Heavens forbid there an actual exception to the rule that makes it work because they have wonderful group chemistry. Raided in 2.0, 3.0, and 4.0 never found a static that didn't result in explosions and all my friends leaving, maybe I'm the crummy person I dunno. If I ever raid again it'll be PF Pug only. Statics are a lost cause to me, if you guys make it work great 10/10 go for it. Eureka is my city now.

Oh and hey OP leave your group, your static sounds like a buncha jerks for scolding you for trying to improve yourself on your own.

Perhaps you're the actual exception to the rule? Some people get crazy in statics, some don't. Who knows where the majority lies.

[Lilseph]

People still raid with statics and groups? Its like destroying friendships with uno or monopoly.

Yes, they do. It's fairly common. Even if it lasts for a tier or two, some people still prefer to go with the same group over and over for the sake of consistency and optimization.

[Vstarstruck]

OP said o3s.. so chests shouldn't be a problem? what was this leader saying to you? or saying to the other member in the static that nugged you to go?

[LineageRazor]

My static pretty much has a standing rule (and it's more of a guideline, as we all are friends and get along) that for content in which we're still progressing, folks are free to get any kind of practice INCLUDING the win outside of the group, even if it reduces our chests once we finally do get the win. Having folks with clear experience is well worth one week's chest shortage. By the same token, on days when we need to replace members that can't be in attendance we do not turn up our noses at veterans who already have the week's clear, even though it costs us a chest. Once again, their experience is worth the price.

For content that we have on farm, members are either expected to save the weekly clear for the group, or we all agree ahead of time to individually get the clear in PUGs before we meet (so as to save time in getting to the content we're progressing on).

[Tremara]

Apparently I have an unpopular oppinion on this topic:

What's the point of having a static if you run off to clear content with pugs? Don't get me wrong, I don't mind that static members re-clear stuff after the static got their 2 chests but I do mind if the static is still progressing in one turn. That might don't hurt the static directly because there might be no kill in this week anyway but then again it kills (some of the) feeling of accomplishment if you finally be able to clear it with your static. Because fights always get easier if one or more already have the kill.

But it seems I'm old-fashioned that way.

[ErryK]

OP said o3s.. so chests shouldn't be a problem?

They said "at the time", so I imagine this situation happened to OP when chest-lock on Deltascape Savage was still a thing.

As far as my static is concerned, we progress together and then past the last raid day, you're free to pug with others. Unfortunately, our static raids mostly on weekends, so our only real day to try to get a late clear in is Mondays or late Sunday if our raid is done and parties are up. I think most statics adopt this? I've heard some statics don't care and encourage people to clear during progression for the experience?