Is this truly wrong?

[KaldeaSahaline]

I went PLD because I didn't like the feel of DRK. It wasn't until recently in the last week or so when I actually tried that I started learning the important of lining up those buffs. I don't intend to master PLD, though, but from your analysis...yeah...nvm, you have a point. Too many mistakes on PLD on my end.

Looking at it the wrong way.

It's not about how many mistakes, it's about how much room for improvement. Focus on that and it'll be more rewarding.

In many cases it actually really will be quite a significant impact. if you look at this if you took a 99th percentile player and put him in a random pug or group of 10% players. it's not to unreasonable to suggest that for one reason or another that players dps might be 10% lower. as a result of party compostion buffs usage or even things like player positions causing a few missed gcds. yet that 10% would result in that 99th percentile player ending up right down near 60... which is no where close to 99..

I already gave you a personal example of me getting good parses with lower scored teammates. Here's a random MNK I plucked as another example.

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/wJvMA...ne&graph=false

Yes it obviously has an impact, but it isn't as large as you imply. Good players will adjust and still put out great DPS regardless of their teammates.

Ok here I might actually not know something... I'm pretty sure though ACT and thus fflogs doesn't track position or movement and almost certainly cannot log where in an arena an aoe or telegraph is going to hit. nor can fflogs tell you I had to move because the sch was 1 step to my right or something like that ... if I am wrong and it can show this information then please do show me where...

Check the replay feature. It uses position data to recreate the fight in real time. You can see where the MT is (so which direction boss is facing) who is standing near who (so SCH was crowding you) and run it against timelines of abilities to see when telegraphs are out and where they'd be placed (based on people reacting and moving, or can be run against the incoming damage and see who got hit).

I think i'm quite clued with how logs works even if I don't use it regularly... so many things can affect your numbers that it creates an innacurate reading. I could for example play my samurai perfectially in the most optimal way and be the most skilled sam in the game (I'm not) but my sam being I350 instead of i370 for example might is gonna really impact my numbers. and no amount of player skill will ever compensate...

I would take a 99th percentile i350 SAM ANYDAY over the garbage SAMs in PF.

Further Example - my younger brother (a consistent top 5 world fury war in WoW), came back to the game briefly because he wanted to try out SAM. At ~i300 in Susano EX, he was putting out double the second highest DPS of people who were nearly 15 ilvl higher than him. It took average skilled nearly i330 SAMs to finally match his output that he did as a fresh 70.

Everything affects your logs. Don't compare yourself to other people too much and don't compare cross-fights. Don't try to assume that your 50 in normal would lead to a far less ranking in Savage.

Compare yourself to your own numbers for the same fight. If you want to know how you'd do in Savage (and treat each fight separately), get logs for that fight.

When you do look at other player logs
don't get hung up on percentiles. You want to learn from other players, not feel inferior (or superior) to them.

I wish I could upvote this more. Great insight and good tips.

[KaivaC]

Looking at it the wrong way.

grr can't edit it, not sure if my net (work) or the forums are crapping out

Its alright...I get where you're coming from. That was back then, though. As a tank, high deeps are not my priority. And honestly, at present, I'm not as concerned with percentiles, because I've been stuck on V7S for a long time - longer than this thread has existed. It's just getting to the point where all I care about now is finding a party where I'm not one of 3 people still alive before Virus.

[KaldeaSahaline]

I was finally able to edit - hopefully it makes more sense/sounds less abrasive lol.

[Gallus]

I still remember the first thread I read from you TC. "This community should improve because the average level is too low", or something along those lines... this thread is quite a twist from that one. You went from "complaining" about others to feeling miserable yourself.
The community wasn't a problem right then just like you aren't doing anything wrong right now either.
With some effort and commitment you'll get good DPS with SMN. All it takes is confidence and practice (the first is obtained by the latter). First and foremost, you need to know your rotation well (or in case of SMN, your priorities), don't get that wrong or you'll see yourself mechanizing an inefficient rotation (and then you might have some trouble correcting bad habits).

Once you are aware of what to press and when, it all boils down to repeating it as many times as possible (against dummies, bosses, SB hunts, anything you can hit for a reasonable amount of time). You'll eventually get so used to it that you won't care how good you've become and instead you'll want to play another job .

PS: Be careful with FFlogs because it can be deceiving. Your percentiles there greatly depend on your party setup, how generous is the boss in not screwing you up with mechanics and most importantly how geared you are.

[KaldeaSahaline]

PS: Be careful with FFlogs because it can be deceiving. Your percentiles there greatly depend on your party setup, how generous is the boss in not screwing you up with mechanics and most importantly how geared you are.

A max geared terrible player in a meta comp group with 99th percentilers will still be terrible.

(not saying that this is Kaiva, but don't marginalize good players percentiles.

[KaivaC]

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The guides that were linked to me before seem to indicate a lot of triple-weaving. Which is fine and all...just not sure right now if I can do that on my controller without a lot of extended practice and possibly some macros. I gave it a shot, and I have a hard time with triple-weaving. So maybe I just need to stop worrying about getting to an elite level and just playing, knowing my limitations.

[Squintina]

The guides that were linked to me before seem to indicate a lot of triple-weaving. Which is fine and all...just not sure right now if I can do that on my controller without a lot of extended practice and possibly some macros. I gave it a shot, and I have a hard time with triple-weaving. So maybe I just need to stop worrying about getting to an elite level and just playing, knowing my limitations.

If you can't triple weave, try double weave - and stay away from macros.

Also look at how some other controller people did their bars.

I know it's not the same job, but when I was leveling AST, I thought I had a good controller set up. Then I went into a savage raid and I realized that when timing mattered, I had some horrible bar switching. So I looked at my SCH set up (which is very comfortable) and imitated that for AST and I did like 75% better. placement matters.

Personally I recommend using just 3 cross hotbars (extras can be used for non battle things): main hotbar, hotbar for L+R, hotbar for WXHB (full), and putting Sprint on macro #99 and changing the controller config to have one of the analogs use macro #99.

Can also get ideas on how other people did their cross hotbars on this website:
https://supernova-squirrel.herokuapp.com/

[KaivaC]

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Out of curiosity, since I'm still somewhat new to macros (my only macros are simple raises with a quote and my sprint hotkeyed to an analog), why the issue with macros? Are they bad to use? Or just not a good idea to use at this stage?