Is this truly wrong?

[Dzian]

To emphasise this, I generally average high 80s to mid 90s. With a death this week in o6s, I still reached 62% A 25% penalty for 90 seconds is far harsher than a random Ninja messing up Trick Attack. Will you dip in a less optimized group? Of course, but you aren't going from 95% to 50%. Bard and Machinist, unfortunately, stand as the sole exception due to piercing.

No entirely. Because if you change the jobs on that link to say monk

You see a very similar pattern where something like an 8-10% difference in damage will throw you up or down 40 percentiles in much the same way it does for a bard. Sam and blm are about the same..

It really doesn't take a lot of lost dps for any number of reasons to have a significant impact. Even being just a few points lower could put you down significantly.

[KaldeaSahaline]

Is that my most recent run? Oh, that was a really terrible run for me. I think I died once or twice. But comparison wise, I missed a lot of holy spirits, which I do know I tend to forget about in sword oath. Same with requiscast.

Nah it was from like Mid Feb. You didn't die at all. I chose it to make sure it was as close to a 1:1 comparison as possible (a tenet to ensure good log review).

Looking at it:

• You can see you have too many fast blades and that they don't align with your riot blades
• I didn't show it here, but I'd bet your Goring Blade uptime was a good bit lower than mine too, as evidenced by the fact you cast it less
• Your Riot Blades don't line up with your GB + RA casts
• You missed a staggering number of HS casts and Requiscat
• Poor usage of Sheltron -> Shield Swipe
• Sub-optimal defensive CD usage as well

Now I know that PLD isn't the job you're referencing, but I wanted to just paint a picture that a PLD is actually a pretty mechanically easy job to play, and there's a lot of mistakes here, that will absolutely translate to SMN, which is considerably more in-depth to do well with.

This is just comparing casts too. There's a lot more to look into, but this is a great place to start. To look into where you're missing things.

No entirely. Because if you change the jobs on that link to say monk

You see a very similar pattern where something like an 8-10% difference in damage will throw you up or down 40 percentiles in much the same way it does for a bard. Sam and blm are about the same..

It really doesn't take a lot of lost dps for any number of reasons to have a significant impact. Even being just a few points lower could put you down significantly.

Dzian - is there any reason you ignored my post to you a few pages back? I'd really appreciate it if you'd take the time to read it and respond. It's good for the community to make sure that we don't spread misinformation and I want to help clear up any misconceptions you might have.

[KaivaC]

Nah it was from like Mid Feb. You didn't die at all. I chose it to make sure it was as close to a 1:1 comparison as possible (a tenet to ensure good log review).

Looking at it:

• You can see you have too many fast blades and that they don't align with your riot blades
• I didn't show it here, but I'd bet your Goring Blade uptime was a good bit lower than mine too, as evidenced by the fact you cast it less
• Your Riot Blades don't line up with your GB + RA casts
• You missed a staggering number of HS casts and Requiscat
• Poor usage of Sheltron -> Shield Swipe
• Sub-optimal defensive CD usage as well

Now I know that PLD isn't the job you're referencing, but I wanted to just paint a picture that a PLD is actually a pretty mechanically easy job to play, and there's a lot of mistakes here, that will absolutely translate to SMN, which is considerably more in-depth to do well with.

This is just comparing casts too. There's a lot more to look into, but this is a great place to start. To look into where you're missing things.

I went PLD because I didn't like the feel of DRK. It wasn't until recently in the last week or so when I actually tried that I started learning the important of lining up those buffs. I don't intend to master PLD, though, but from your analysis...yeah...nvm, you have a point. Too many mistakes on PLD on my end.

[Dzian]

Dzian - is there any reason you ignored my post to you a few pages back? I'd really appreciate it if you'd take the time to read it and respond. It's good for the community to make sure that we don't spread misinformation and I want to help clear up any misconceptions you might have.

missed it.

Firstly let me ask - do you use FFLogs? Do you know how to read it? All of its functions?

From time to time and I would say i'm quite familiar with how it works

This is 100% inaccurate. It will be lower for sure, but it won't be "no where even close". I had plenty of purples where I had a team of 10th percentilers.

In many cases it actually really will be quite a significant impact. if you look at this if you took a 99th percentile player and put him in a random pug or group of 10% players. it's not to unreasonable to suggest that for one reason or another that players dps might be 10% lower. as a result of party compostion buffs usage or even things like player positions causing a few missed gcds. yet that 10% would result in that 99th percentile player ending up right down near 60... which is no where close to 99..

This is also 100% incorrect. FFlogs can tell you all of that if you know where to look and how to read the logs. Every single one of these is captured in the logs and easily viewable.

Ok here I might actually not know something... I'm pretty sure though ACT and thus fflogs doesn't track position or movement and almost certainly cannot log where in an arena an aoe or telegraph is going to hit. nor can fflogs tell you I had to move because the sch was 1 step to my right or something like that ... if I am wrong and it can show this information then please do show me where...

This is also 100% inaccurate. It would not take a 6.5k DPS MNK and make him do 3.25k DPS. Please refrain from spreading misinformation.

ok perhaps bad phrasing. it shouldn't drop a 6k monk to 3k. but it could quite easily drop an 80th percentile player down to the 40th or something similar thus slashing there performance ranking quite significantly..

I'm also not disputing that things like buffs and trick attacks aren't viewable in the logs. what I said was that how they're used in a fight can have a very significant impact on your performance. and thus a good chunk of what makes a players damage in the x% is down to the rest of the party and not actually down to them selves... a party that uses buffs and cooldowns more optimally could easily push your dps up by 8-10% for example. and in most cases that's enough to fly up the percentiles....

I think i'm quite clued with how logs works even if I don't use it regularly... so many things can affect your numbers that it creates an innacurate reading. I could for example play my samurai perfectially in the most optimal way and be the most skilled sam in the game (I'm not) but my sam being I350 instead of i370 for example might is gonna really impact my numbers. and no amount of player skill will ever compensate...