Is this truly wrong?

[Trogvar]

The biggest problem of FFlogs compare to Warcraftlogs is that there is no split by item level. So if you have two players with 350 ilvl and 370 ilvl and same skill, guess who ll have higher percentile.
The other problem is food/ pots are required if you want to push for top percentile as well.
The raid composition matters as well, for example, BRD without DRG buff and with DRG buff have completely different percentile.
Overall, the correct rotation and the uptime contribute the most to the percentile, but there is no need to be obsessed with purple/ orange parces as long as you can clear the encounter.

[KaldeaSahaline]

Admittedly I don't use it to its full potential because I simply don't know how to do deep comparisons like that. I know how to look up how the timeline and stuff like that, but I don't know how to find, say, the number of casts of a certain skill versus the number of casts from another player. Unless I'm supposed to tally that up manually. In which case, I dunno if I can get dedicated enough to do that

Kaiva - see attached.


You can use FFlogs to directly compare against people by the URL. You can also ask FFLogs to directly compare you by setting parameters for it to find one.

If you are looking at a log in the top right there are buttons. Analyze is the default, but next to it, is compare. It gives pretty easy instructions on how to compare and then you can look at it like it was one combined log. For instance the image above shows you and I comparing casts.

Now granted, my static kills O6S about 2 minutes faster than you did (I grabbed a random old log to make a PLD to PLD comparison for illustration) so in order to make a more valid comparison I cut the last 2 minutes of your fight out by clicking on the graph and dragging right until the vertical dashed line (which signifies the end of my log).

As an exercise - strictly based off this data - what are some issues you see (on my side or yours)?

[KaivaC]

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Is that my most recent run? Oh, that was a really terrible run for me. I think I died once or twice. But comparison wise, I missed a lot of holy spirits, which I do know I tend to forget about in sword oath. Same with requiscast.

[ChaoticCrimson]

I know you're not focusing on SMN for the moment, but I was able to take a look at your gear on Lodestone Kaiva and I was wondering if it'd be okay to offer some suggestions on that. I think I might be able to help a little bit, if you're up for it.

[KaivaC]

I know you're not focusing on SMN for the moment, but I was able to take a look at your gear on Lodestone Kaiva and I was wondering if it'd be okay to offer some suggestions on that. I think I might be able to help a little bit, if you're up for it.

Sure. Though to be honest, I haven't done any melding or upgrades to my gear since starting this thread. Lodestone's only showing me as SMN atm because I'm in Eureka, otherwise I'm on a tank or heal job. But, fire away.

[Ghishlain]

I'd like to add, since we're on the topic of dissecting logs, that even a small increase in optimization can lead to rather substantial gains in percentile ranking.

For example, say two people were discussing a SAM rotation and discovered from their theory craft that if they made a small rotation change it would lead to an overall DPS gain of 2%. Assuming the SAM in question is a 40th percentile SAM, and using this SAM ranking here statistic, the 40th percentile SAM which has a DPS of 5,823.65 would go up to 5,940.12 DPS which is higher than a 50th percentile SAM DPS. A 2% gain resulted in a 10th percentile gain on the charts in this particular example.

Another example - let's take some numbers from the other thread regarding how a BRD loses something in the realm of 500DPS if a DRG isn't in their party. Using these statistic would push a 10th percentile BRD to close to 50th percentile and a 50th percentile BRD to close to 90th percentile. 500 DPS is a net 9-10% DPS gain but leads to close to a 40th percentile increase.

Small things don't feel like much but you can see how quickly they can change your rankings looking at the above. Understanding what you can do to get those small performance optimizations will help you shoot up in the percentile ranking. And something like FFLogs can help you dissect what you can do to continue improving. Not every circumstance will be the same but you can gleam enough information from the depths of the logs to get at least some idea on which direction you should be pushing towards.

This example above also makes me realize why my personal MCH numbers in a DRG-less static during the 3.4 raid tier were so terrible.. *coughs quietly*

[Bourne_Endeavor]

A player that can generally perform at a decent level on average is NOT going to have their numbers crushed due to external circumstances or comp alone.

To emphasise this, I generally average high 80s to mid 90s. With a death this week in o6s, I still reached 62% A 25% penalty for 90 seconds is far harsher than a random Ninja messing up Trick Attack. Will you dip in a less optimized group? Of course, but you aren't going from 95% to 50%. Bard and Machinist, unfortunately, stand as the sole exception due to piercing.

[Mayku]

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Thank you for your reply.
I usually do around 650- 800 dps but in that party I was the only one healing and raising, I cast all the time without downtime. (other than the pink color of O6S because it was my first time and was scared about it)
I am sorry but I really felt like the sch could have changed to dps and it would have been the same result.
My first goal is to keep ppl alive and buff them, I don't care to get in the fflog top 100 in DPS as healer.
I don't even have a parser because I was in first server static in FFXI and it burned my soul down.
I do look a bit FFlogs if someone parsed to see if I overhealed too much, but rarely I check the dps.

On the other day, I went with an other party, the healer was marvelous, we dpsed, we healed, we raised...we where never out of mp.(and I did again pink)
And we killed the O6S boss at 30% hp.
Sometimes the numbers change a lot if everyone does his basic job first and then think about FFlogs.
Also I do understand that me not being in a static but in random party makes each fight different each time.

[ChaoticCrimson]

Cool! Sorry, I'm at work so my reply was delayed a bit... I'm not an expert, but I'm mainly going off of advice from my static and things that I've read, so please bear with me. Anyway, what I'm noticing that a lot of your gear is pushing your spell speed. Now, for a BLM, spell speed is excellent. Even RDM enjoys a little boost to it. But for SMN... It's bad news. If my static leader's advice is anything to go off of, 1000 spell speed on a SMN is pretty much the absolute max a SMN can really support before it starts goofing things up with timing. In fact, you could probably get away with the bare minimum spell speed if you wanted to, but a couple pieces of gear with minor increases of it probably won't hurt as long as you stay under that 1000 threshold. Instead, the secondary stats you should look for as a priority are Crit > Direct > Det. You do want to keep upgrading to higher ilvl gear since INT is your main priority, but just be very wary the gear isn't pushing spell speed too high.

I believe we're about the same ilvl atm (359). I'm not positive that my gear is absolutely "ideal", but you can take a look on my Lodestone profile if you'd like to get an idea of what I've been going for, statwise. Of course, bearing in mind that you're still working on your melds, it looks like once you're able to flesh those out that'll also be close to an extra 350 point boost to spread out for your stats however you prefer. That's a pretty significant amount to work with, and should make a nice difference! Beyond that, I haven't seen how you play as SMN, so I can't really advise there. But hopefully the advice on gear that I've learned from my static helps a little bit!

[KaivaC]

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Well according to the logs, I am terrible at SMN haha.

Yeah, I don't meld towards spell speed, so I'm not sure how to counter that when the gear itself increases that particular stat. I do have enough clusters that I can push for crit...somebody did show me the kind of materia I should be going for right now, but without crafted gear to have additional meld slots, the prospect of breaking out of that percentile is not looking good right now. I just need to stop doing worse than what I've been doing.