Is this truly wrong?

[Gin_Gray]

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Quitting is easy, getting good is hard but remember the simple fact that you trying to get better is more than most people are willing to do. Keep at it and trust you'll get better over time, if you're not already doing it now try hitting a dummy a few hours out of your day while you're in que etc. Find one of your friends who can check your numbers because as of now you're only seeing the random runs where you might not of been at your best. Getting good doesn't happen over night its a journey, but do remember to have fun first and foremost.

[Nhadaly]

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Have you ever thought about tackling savage content with different classes? Summoner has a daunting rotation that very few can get right in every occassion, not to mention that u have to adjust said rotation on EVERY savage fight to get the most out of your spells, there are many more classes with easier rotations, id be happy to recommend a few based upon what you think you are the best at doing right now.

[BluexBird]

In case it hasn't been said, logs are EXTREMELY reliant on equipment - especially weapon wise. I can guarantee you that by now, everyone in the 90% bracket have their ilvl 370-375 weapon, and are close to (if not) ilvl 370. And it makes a huge difference.

Also, you absolutely have to use pots. If you don't use pots, you'll struggle to break past 80%. Hell, even 70% is a struggle without pots sometimes.

And now for a somewhat minor variable you might not be aware of - padded runs. A ridiculous amount of people will end up with better parses than you, simply because the AST is giving them all the Balance cards, and stuff like that. But you don't have to worry about this if all you want is to get close to the 90s.

For starters, just focus on getting to ilvl 370. Get your weapon, and THEN try showing what you're capable of.

[Nhadaly]

Gear, potions and padded runs

Im sorry but the first two points are just false, logs are very reliant on player ability, not logs or potions, heres a good players alt who has an iLvl of 35x : Cherry Cordial, look her up wherever.

As for potions they make a difference but not that much, they do not make or break a parse, as for padded runs, they are few and inbetween, yes, they exist and it sucks, but they wont make nor break your percentiles, all they break are All Star points which almost nobody cares about.

Its mostly about player ability, thats the first and foremost hurdle for anyone that has low percentiles, saying its about gear, potions or padded runs.....those are just excuses, anyone can get purple with enough work and dedication, regardless of gear or whatever.

[Granyala]

Im sorry but the first two points are just false, logs are very reliant on player ability

Of course player ability factors into it but given 2 players of equal skill, the one with a significantly lower item level won't stand a chance. It is simple mathematics.
Yes, the gap isn't as ridonculous in XIV as it is in WoW but gear is still of paramount importance.

If you parse yourself as a 350 alt you won't stand any chance against a 370+ that knows what he is doing. Pretending otherwise is ignoring the truth.

I simply said to the group, thats gotta be better. And they responded with something surprising.... "We cleared it, you didnt die or get grabbed, who cares"? Before I could reply.... another person in the discord said, "you did better than me and I have better gear, who cares"?... So then I asked "why are you logging"? and they just said they only cared about themselves, for personal benefit, and dont judge others so long as they are clearing

And thats when it dawned on me, no one really SHOULD care, unless you are way under par and/or dying (causing the group to not clear).

Pretty much my stance. I look at the logs 95% in order to assess MY performance.
I only looked at others in depth when we somehow struggled to see whether I could pinpoint any issues and try to help.

Logs are a wonderful diagnostic tool once you get past the %ile / DPS E-peen contest.

[HyoMinPark]

Im sorry but the first two points are just false, logs are very reliant on player ability, not logs or potions, heres a good players alt who has an iLvl of 35x. . . .

Of course player skill plays a huge role. But if you take two equally skilled players, 1 with full 350 and one with full 370 BiS, the 370 BiS will numerically perform better than the 350 player. With the tier being almost halfway over, more and more players have i370 with their 375 weapons, and take up the top percentiles. They raise the bar that others have to meet to get into the higher percentiles. And yes, some of those oranges are heavily padded to give people pretty front pages, but it is much harder for an individual to get higher percentile parses the later you get into a tier. Just because of sheer competition.

Its mostly about player ability, thats the first and foremost hurdle for anyone that has low percentiles, saying its about gear, potions or padded runs.....those are just excuses, anyone can get purple with enough work and dedication, regardless of gear or whatever.

Again, see above what I said about two equally skilled players in different gear and the discrepancy there will be between them. Some jobs are also heavily reliant on others (BRD/MCH on DRG), and will perform lower than an equally skilled player that has the necessary party comp: a 370 BRD without a DRG will have a lower parse than an equally skilled 370 BRD with a DRG. It's not just player skill that make logs, because a lot of top logs are padded to give pretty numbers, or completely optimized between the entire static to give those perfect runs.

I am an i363 BRD. My last parse on v6s was 52 percentile the night it was uploaded. The time before that (~2 weeks prior) was 90 percentile. The difference in DPS was 5087 (52) and 5752 (90). Why was my percentile so much lower?
-I'm competing against speed runs with BRDs who have their BiS
-I'm competing against optimization runs that Min-Max every GCD
-I also had no DRG, and no AST.

My kill time was actually shorter on the 52nd percentile run, but just the fact that I was competing against players with better gear, and BRDs that have a DRG (which is the biggest hit to a BRD's DPS--I can still get purples with no AST). I did nothing different: same food, same rotation, potted at the normal times, I even had 2 more 370 pieces in the 52nd run. But my lower percentile wasn't due to my lack in skill, but my group's lack of ideal circumstances for BRD and my lack in gear. At most, if I lacked a bit it was because it was the first time I had done V6S since my 90.

Not trying to toot my own horn or saying some god-tier BRD because I've never managed an orange (my highest is 94 on Exdeath), but I can get purples. My blue isn't due to my lack in ability, but other external reasons. They can add up more than you think.

I'm largely in the latter category with my own O5S/O6S parses, hitting 98th/92nd percentile historical week 2 in ilvl 350 gear (as Bard). My parses since steadily fell due to being stuck on O7S for about 5 weeks and due to my lack of a static until very recently. It also doesn't help that Bard reliance on Dragoon is now so absurd that the mere presence of one contributes about 400-500 extra DPS for the Bard, which is something the developers really need to take a long, hard look at. I've only been able to climb back up to 96th/93rd this week with ilvl 360-370 gear. It took me too long to clear O7S and I've yet to clear O8S, but I have no delusions of ever breaking 90% on either fight.

Saito knows the pain.

[BluexBird]

Im sorry but the first two points are just false, logs are very reliant on player ability, not logs or potions

Yes, logs are very reliant on player ability. As in, it doesn't matter if you're ilvl 371 BiS everything, perfect party comp, and chugging pots - if you don't play your class properly, your numbers are still going to end up sucking.

THAT SAID, if all you do is play your class properly, zero deaths, everything lined up, THE PERFECT RUN... if you're running crafted ilvl 350 items, don't use pots, and your party is like... 2 WAR, 2 WHM, 2 BLM, a SAM, and you're the extra DPS... Dude, you can come up with the best rotation in the whole server, you're still not getting close to 90 percentile. Not at this stage, months after the raid has come out. Look how close the brackets are currently. You might just barely break 80, but ask yourself... why bother? Using pots will easily give you the boost you need, assuming your rotations are on point.

And the extra 20 item levels do help A LOT. Stop pretending "it's all skill". Next thing we know, you'll want us to believe the easy DPS increase that comes from getting your ilvl 370 weapon is due to lucky crits. LMAO

[RiyahArp]

Well...I still think this is stupid, but i get the sense Kaiva simply won't let go of it, so some more tips.

In overwatch reddit, people often ask for a VOD, you could do that here. That means you go out, do a normal savage run, and record the whole run so experienced players can see it and give tips/critique play. Get a buddy to also parse the run for you, and post both in a place you trust people will give you balanced feedback on it, and go down the fight play by play. They will point out that you are lagging on your opener, or not pressing buttons enough, or tend to end deathflare or something too early or too late etc.

Also, pick one savage fight, and just do it nonstop for like a month in every situation. Do it till you are sick of the stupid thing, and you have gear for every class. Do it with pugs so you see everything that can go right or wrong with it. Forget the logs, just do the thing till you can do it in your dreams. I'd bet your parses would go up then.

[Lord_Zlatan]

I joined a group in the PF on Tuesday that wanted to do o5-7. Joined in with them on Discord. After we cleared o5, I asked if anyone was logging. I felt like I totally crushed it, never did a misclick and managed to nail my elusive jump/other jumps/sprint to keep uptime up time... yet when they read me my #s, I was only at 5k. I was heartbroken, because the week prior I got 4 new pieces of gear.

I simply said to the group, thats gotta be better. And they responded with something surprising.... "We cleared it, you didnt die or get grabbed, who cares"? Before I could reply.... another person in the discord said, "you did better than me and I have better gear, who cares"?... So then I asked "why are you logging"? and they just said they only cared about themselves, for personal benefit, and dont judge others so long as they are clearing

And thats when it dawned on me, no one really SHOULD care, unless you are way under par and/or dying (causing the group to not clear).

I feel like im a pretty good DRG. My logs wont tell you that because of percentiles and such, but I know the rotation, know the fights, have a positive attitude, and lear quick. The gear and numbers will come with time, but for the time being, as long as you are pulling your weight, the numbers shouldnt matter

[Shihen]

Keep in mind, I still generally don't ask for my information to get uploaded - they just end up online (I usually check a few hours after my weekly runs).

I think what you really need to do is get in touch with a summoner on your server in the 80th+ percentile, and have them look over your logs. It's good to know that you're under-performing because you're not casting enough, or not prioritizing something, but it's even better to know exactly where the mistake happened and why, because it gives you something tangible to work with.

The 9% Phantom Train parse, for example, isn't really indicative of your overall performance. You parsed that low because you didn't use your AOE burst during the adds phase. While you spiked to around 8k there with dots and tri-bind, other summoners spiked to around 30-50k with deathflare/painflare/ahk morn. If you were to go back today with that knowledge you could easily parse much, much higher. A good summoner can point out things to boost your numbers even more, until eventually they become habit and you realize you have become a good summoner.