please consider ending the mentor system

[Penthea]

There, I fixed it for you.

You're missing the point. The point is truly awful players shouldn't even be able to get it. I'm talking about things like 60+ players who appear to hardly know how to play the game but have the mentor tag anyway.

I understand that you can never escape bad players, this is life. But I can't understand anyone who thinks the mentor system is fine when even horrendous players can get the mentor tag.

[Vstarstruck]

You're missing the point. The point is truly awful players shouldn't even be able to get it.

How then? They only way I see this is possible if the gm team gets heavily involved and SE wont put that kind of money into it.

[BillyKaplan]

The point is truly awful players shouldn't even be able to get it. I'm talking about things like 60+ players who appear to hardly know how to play the game but have the mentor tag anyway.

Being actually good at the game is not a requirement set by SE to becoming a mentor.

[EmmaVirgin]

to be a mentor is a hard life these days.

- the most "mentors" are trash and just want to look cool with the crown. they made a fools cap out of it. thats why i only have that icon on while the mentor roulette (cuz there is no option to click it off then).

- i rly try to help new ones but they just dont listen or dont give a f***. i dont know.

- ex primals are 90% not possible to finish cuz. i cant explain in french , they dont listen , have no clue about the own class (i cant explain 2-4 players the whole class in there before a bored tank pulls) , the gear is to low (not kidding i had once king moogle mog extreme and both tanks had a lvl 1 ring).

they should rename mentor (a mentor chooses a student/pupil) into kindergardenteacher. thats how i feel most of the time.

I'd like to consider a 3 hour penalty for abandoning in the first 45 minutes.

you clearly never tryed to see it from the other side. just read what i texted.

[PerrinTaveren]

The mentor system is very very flawed. It's far too easy to become a mentor. I have met some truly awful players with the mentor tag. Literally anyone can get it.

mentor system isn't that flawed. there are awful people out there so you can't make a system preventing awful players not to join. that's why there is a report or blacklist systemi have seen MANY non-mentor awful players too, faar too many. so being awful isn't related to being a mentor. And SE really says ''inappropriate behaviour of a mentor can be reported''. Mentors can get suspensions even, idk tbh, but in theory if they are disrespectful in any way, you can report them. And apart from some of the rare cases, in my experience, if you are awful to others, they will be awful to you too. If you are nice, they will be nice. If a mentor sees a problem and points out, then you should at least listen. It is up to you to take the advice or not. But if you approach with hostility, mentor will neutrally seem awful to you because you see every mentor awful. (You here is in general, i am not addressing to anyone btw ) And not anyone can get the mentor title, there are requirements. Do i believe the requirements should be updated a bit? Yes. But that doesn't mean people aren't deserving to be mentors. And again this system is here for new players. Mentors are to welcome newbies and introduce several gameplay elements to them. They are not here for end-game. You can't expect mentor system to be gained really hard. A player who has knowledge on certain things should have the right, which right now, in my opinion, it is.

[Infindox]

The bad examples are always the loudest. For every mentor I've played with (before and after I became one) that was absolutely horrendous, I have several stories of ones who were amazing. Maybe if you're stereotyping a group of people on a few bad eggs, you're also being a bad player yourself.

I think that they should have updated the system a bit when SB came out. Bump everything to 70. The NN needs to be fixed. On my server it's nothing more then a glorified public chat, and I refuse to take part in it.

[Okamimaru]

I was the noobest noob when i first started this game. It was my first mmo. I was a tank, who didn't know what a tank was. I didn't know what party finder was, what unsync battles mean. What extreme fights are and how difficult they are. I didn't know there were guides on youtube for example for extreme fights.

and did it ever occur to you the do a 5 second Google search to find anything out on your own? It's 2018 where people talk to smart devices more than they do each other and yet noobs can't look up basic questions about a mmo that's now in its 2nd expansion? Hell 90% of sprouts will not ask questions in dungeons and maybe 50% will take advice given... so maybe noobs can do a little leg work while waiting for that dungeon or trial to fill...

[PerrinTaveren]

and did it ever occur to you the do a 5 second Google search to find anything out on your own? It's 2018 where people talk to smart devices more than they do each other and yet noobs can't look up basic questions about a mmo that's now in its 2nd expansion? Hell 90% of sprouts will not ask questions in dungeons and maybe 50% will take advice given... so maybe noobs can do a little leg work while waiting for that dungeon or trial to fill...

if you continue to quote this, you will see i wrote ''i didn't know there were even guides for ex fights etc.''. I joined at the end of ARR, there was no mentor system, no novice network whatsoever.The point i thought i was doing something wrong was when they kicked me out of the dungeon and called me a noob. I am not originally an english player so i didn't even know what noob was. I looked at everything about the game at that point, i improved myself A LOT. I had never played any mmo before so i didn't even know i need to look up for things. I bought the game, i installed it and started playing. Don't trash talk about people who were as noob as i was before. Nobody has to look for google but within the game right now, mentors NEED to help. And they should.

[Paladinleeds]

and did it ever occur to you the do a 5 second Google search to find anything out on your own? It's 2018 where people talk to smart devices more than they do each other and yet noobs can't look up basic questions about a mmo that's now in its 2nd expansion? Hell 90% of sprouts will not ask questions in dungeons and maybe 50% will take advice given... so maybe noobs can do a little leg work while waiting for that dungeon or trial to fill...

For a lot of new players coming to the game, they don't realise that they need to Google (or Bing, other search engines also exist) things. They're used to being able to learn at their own pace in single player games and not needing all this frontloaded knowledge before starting party duty in MMORPG, especially those who are familiar with SPRPG but not MMORPG. It's a culture shock in a way. So we should be more encouraging and supportive. Now I'd already played several MMOs before coming to FFXIV so I was used to it all.

However for someone whom FFXIV is their first MMORPG? Big culture shock inbound. Let's help them, not saying "Just google it." - for those who react with hostility even when we are very nice about it (for example "Have you tried this? It improves your play in that way."), then fair enough, but again it's probably the culture shock involved there. They're not used to the idea that they need to perform as part of a team. As for how we overcome that as mentors (and when I become a mentor again), I don't know. I'm willing to take on board people's suggestions on how to help people deal with the culture shock (assuming it is the culture shock at play here).

[Ilyrian]

Removing EX primals from the Roulette would be a start.
You wouldn't use the DF to do current EX fights so I don't know why they thought it was a good idea to encourage actual new players to use it with synced old ones.