Some possibly controversial thoughts about a dancer addition

[BillyKaplan]

I think women do look better doing that dance...

If ignoring half the movements required for the dance and hardly moving anything waist down is better in your opinion, I don't know what to say to you. That dance is by far one of the more glaring examples of sexist views against women in this game imo. The fact they 'nerfed' the movement for the female Vanu themselves makes this even worse.

and the moogle dance. Men in this game just look so .. off doing those dances in my opinion.

The only real difference for the moogle dance is which way they spin. Anything else is your bias talking

[Ilyrian]

Limiting jobs by gender seems a particularly backwards idea.
Especially in a game that neither encourages alts or would charge real money to gender-flip.

[Leloa]

Why would it matter if someone think it's too girly simply don't play the class then. I am sure many people despite their gender and race would love a dancer.

[NephthysVasudan]

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So showing up in in a level 70 roullete and seeing a Warrior Roe in a speedo isn't "traumatic"?

Yes..there are male dancers....but I have to agree with Kaiva..some things where just not meant to be seen.

[KaivaC]

I was just offering my thoughts on the matter. Apologies if settle of y'all may have felt offended. It was just a curiosity I wanted to discuss.

[BillyKaplan]

I was just offering my thoughts on the matter. Apologies if settle of y'all may have felt offended. It was just a curiosity I wanted to discuss.

While I acknowledge your lack of ill intent, it was very tone-deaf. We have two rather active threads that are often on the first page of the English forums discussing the very topic of how male charas get shafted glamours wise and how many players of all genders would like to actually see their male charas get better options, be it masculine or feminine outfits. To suggest a class that's largely seen as, dare I say, erotic, be locked to female only because of your own discomfort at seeing males in similar positions is a bit too much.

[KaivaC]

While I acknowledge your lack of ill intent, it was very tone-deft. We have two rather active threads that are often on the first page of the English forums discussing the very topic of how male charas get shafted glamours wise and how many players of all genders would like to actually see their male charas get better options, be it masculine or feminine outfits. To suggest a class that's largely seen as, dare I say, erotic, be locked to female only because of your own discomfort at seeing males in similar positions is a bit too much.

Point taken. I seem to have a bad habit of posting things without thinking them through, and in turn, my inability to think things out ends up upsetting a lot of folks. I really am sorry. Again, I didn't mean to offend anyone. I'll refrain from posting further in the forums. Thanks for tolerating me up to this point.

[Ilyrian]

Why would it matter if someone think it's too girly simply don't play the class then. I am sure many people despite their gender and race would love a dancer.

It's sad in a way that in 2018 (yup - I said it) we still have the notion that a default Dancer is a scantily clad female who would 'heal her allies through booty-shaking and impressive jiggle physics'.

[Derio]

Its threads like these that make SE skip over dancer and go straight to Chemist because the controversy of Dancer being in the game is too much.

[Shurrikhan]

I absolutely do not think they should be unisex (in the above sense that we should only get one gender), but is also far too late to build the aesthetics available to a given player of a particular race and class upon their assumed characteristics while still providing the same outputs, which likewise leaves me uncomfortable in realizing that a Roegadyn will be not only causing the same effects a fluid-moving Miqote, but will also be doing so... through the same (absurdly, in its case) fluid movements, and/or a Miqote would be forced into the same Sundance style stiff movements as would look natural on a Roegadyn.

Were jobs treated more like professions and the original idea of every main stat benefiting, but through different builds and playstyles, with races varying significantly in said main stats, I think Dancer would be a natural and satisfying addition to the game. Alas, none of that is true anymore, so it's closer to a can of worms instead.