FFXIV shows what's wrong with MMOs (Not what you think)

[Remedi]

... yes it did. It had lots of stories. What it didn't have early on was a single overarching plot. That came later. But there was stories all over the place and vanilla, and TBC had every zone basically telling a story.

Fair enough, but I was idd referring to plot and overall story, not mini stories which were idd presents but not really a game plot and frankly the game was sold on the idea of exploring the warcraft world not really just a continuation of it.
Frankly some plot points of tbc were kinda well hidden.
I also have the feeling that they kinda rewrote some of the bosses lore from tbc and wotlk when they added the dungeon journal

[Bellsong]

I'm glad you're having a good time with the game OP, but there's a reason all these complaint threads you seem to see exist about the mechanics and content that exists in the game outside of the story. because there's a point where the story ends, there's lulls where content stagnates and there's nothing new to do and the content we have didn't become a chore over time it just started out as one.

There's a reason you rarely ever see complaints about the story outside of disliking certain characters or not liking how some characters/things were introduced to the lore, because it's generally agreed that it's good, fun and refreshing to see story cared about so much in an MMO, the problem is a lot of the stuff around it is incredibly generic, dated, poor design or just bland.

[KaldeaSahaline]

I find myself fully engrossed and engaged in this game. I think about it even when I'm not logged in playing it.

Then I come to these forums and see non-stop complaining about everything. And as someone coming from WoW and other Western MMOs, I truly wonder if you guys know how great you have it. Honestly.

MMOs in the West are having a tough time. Mostly because it's all about ilvls and/or PvP ratings. FFXIV is about the story. And that's rare these days.

Hope you guys recognize that in between your constant complaining.

You're not even max level yet. That's why you don't understand the complaining.You're effectively experiencing nearly 4-5 years of content in rapidity (so of course it feels great). Get to max level (and please take your time and enjoy the ride there), but you'll find that you may have issues when you get there and there's no more story to keep you engaged until you get the next 2 hour quest chain in a few months and all that's left is some shallow side content or a handful of boss arena encounters to tide you over.

To each their own. You sound like the type of player that would be comfortably at home in a game like WoW. And that's TOTALLY cool. I played that game for 13 years. They don't care about story at all. It's all about raiding and gear progression. WoW players have long abandoned any care about story because they realized Blizzard doesn't really care about it. They just retcon and come up with nonsensical stuff because reasons. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. They know their playerbase.

I mean you say you played Legion, but you don't have ANYTHING positive to say about the experience? The entire Suramar quest story and all the nuanced characters and the real danger you felt in the city, etc.? It's honestly some of the better storytelling I've seen in a long while and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Surprised you are marginalizing it so heavily. It's starting to sound more like bias that actual good analysis TBH.

If someone comes to a game, and hates some core aspect of it (eg the story, the gameplay or the art style, the fact that it requires multiplayer interaction, all of which I've seen on this forum) What exactly is the point of playing it?

So we're only allowed to play if we 100% have NO issues with ANY aspects of a game? I mean I love the McLaren F1, but I think its interior looks goofy with just a singular center seat. Does that mean I hate the entirety of the car and should never jump at the chance to drive/own one (if it was within my means)? That's one of the most staggeringly asinine stances I've ever seen someone mention.

[Aylis]

aside from overusing "oh they didn't really die!"

THAT is getting real old.

Deffo agreed, it's....a very shallow plot device to say the least.

[AngelCheese77]

Oh, I don't have any problem with the story at all. I love it.

I just complain about rude people in DFs and those who grief RPers

[kordhaldrum]

FF XIV main story is really good.

Heavensward story was so good that they could easily make a main Final Fantasy game only using this arc "lore" and "ideas".

I know what ppl mean by saying other games dont give attention to story in west.
Sometimes the problems are both company and community
Others only the company developer itself.

I come from Rift, wich is a game really rich at lore, the writers create such a good universe, and every quests i used to do there i feel bad for those writers being working in such a greedy company because in the right hands they could make a fantastic RPG, top one, but instead, Trion (Rift owner / developer ) focus too much on gameplay (always bugged and unbalanced), cutting costs (the game is always full of bugs because there is not enough DEVs, like, REAL BUGs, dozens of dungeons and raids bosses u ended killing it through some kind of bug and they never fix anything) and make money no matter what they need to do in game, even if it means break the game lore, the gameplay or the community.

[Lium]

I mean you say you played Legion, but you don't have ANYTHING positive to say about the experience? The entire Suramar quest story and all the nuanced characters and the real danger you felt in the city, etc.?

Suramar was very pretty to look at. One of the best zones in all of WoW from a visual standpoint. I also really enjoyed the music. And yes, the story about the resistance and the history behind it was surprisingly well written.

But the meth addicts and constantly having to get them meth (mana) to progress through the story was super annoying. Not to mention the rep requirements. It soured me on the whole experience. Pathfinder was probably the main reason I started hating that zone and vowed never to go back.

Your point about me not being max level yet is valid. And I've thought about that. Things will change once I'm all caught up with everything. But FFXIV is still a unique game.

[odintius]

I play mostly for story now gear progression is a after thought not really much their imo, which I go play other games for after I've done the story. /Shrugs

[Kazgrel]

People whining on official forums for a game has been a thing looooooong before this game was even a concept.

[xbahax92]

But this game isnt from the western... :thinking: