A "Good Community" doesn't excuse content from being unfun

[Metsonm]

Then what would be the point of eureka? Why not just make the relic step like the rest of them where you are spread out all over the current content trying to get light, books, or whatever else they made us do?

That's a good question, isn't it? What is the point in Eureka?

[MageBlack]

That's a good question, isn't it? What is the point in Eureka?

To give those looking for a more traditional, old school, MMO experience. This is as close as I think we will get in FFXIV. All your "Fixes" will negate that experience.

There are tweaks and fixes that can be done to the content as is that will keep the experience and also spread people out a bit more, your solutions do not do that.

[Fyce]

That's a good question, isn't it? What is the point in Eureka?

To be a relic grind with a bit more to do and get from it than old relic quests. And that's it.
Eureka doesn't need to be its own little MMORPG inside a MMORPG.

[RainDurell]

So all content is boring. Why do you play this game then? Cause what you "don't find fun" is really the core of the whole game. Tell me I'm wrong.

I practically named what I find fun...
Like it was said above, dummies that spit out an aoe every few seconds isn't my idea of fun.

[MageBlack]

I practically named what I find fun...
Like it was said above, dummies that spit out an aoe every few seconds isn't my idea of fun.

Honestly I only find dungeons fun for the first run through or two, after that its just boring and I only do it for the Tome's (Rewards). "Dummies that spit out an aoe every few seconds" is basically all combat content in this game. If you can reduce FATE's this way then so can the rest of the game be reduced to reward pinatas. I don't find Savage fun unless I have a static group of friends but the rewards arent even really worth it since its outclassed in the next patch or two. Any static groups I used to have all gave up doing savage since its pointless. At least BCoB when it was relevant had the reward of extra story but they killed that because of, wait for it, FORUM COMPLAINTS.

If Eureka is completely dead before 4.3 then I could concede that its bunk content. But I like the way its setup with creating instances based on need, don't need to be in a group prior to queueing, no cap or weekly lockout, no quest markers, sense of danger, slow leveling, death penalty that matters, Magia Board and others. That just off the top of my head.

[Aronys]

I'm not aware of any FATEs that give top-tier tomes. Which are these?

You didn't say just tomes, you also said minions and glams. Ignoring half of your own sentence to argue, good job white knight.

[Tanathya]

All I can take out of these threads is that those who enjoy Eureka take them personally and so they get highly defensive.

[Berethos]

All I can take out of these threads is that those who enjoy Eureka take them personally and so they get highly defensive.

Not surprising when the side that doesn't like it usually doesn't stop at "I don't like it" and jumps right into "This content is bad and terrible and why would anyone like it/defend it" mode, as seems to be the case more often than not (since you're generalizing, I thought I go ahead and do it too).

[Aronys]

Not surprising when the side that doesn't like it usually doesn't stop at "I don't like it" and jumps right into "This content is bad and terrible and why would anyone like it/defend it" mode, as seems to be the case more often than not.

I think you missed all of those initial posts that started with suggestions on how to improve it before the holy defenders came in and started telling everyone who doesn't like it to stop playing MMOs.

[Berethos]

I think you missed all of those initial posts that started with suggestions on how to improve it before the holy defenders came in and started telling everyone who doesn't like it to stop playing MMOs.

I think you replied too quickly, as my edit included crucial context for the tone of my post.

That being said - day freaking one, only a couple hours after Eureka launched, among the first posts I was reading (I was at work and so obviously couldn't play, but it was a slow day so I could keep up with threads and discussions) were "This is it? This sucks" and "Eureka is dead on arrival" which was then followed by posts and suggestions about how to improve it once players started figuring out how it actually works, then came the white knights in response to both valid and asinine criticisms.

So no, I didn't miss the initial posts that started with suggestions, because those weren't the initial posts.