A "Good Community" doesn't excuse content from being unfun

[RainDurell]

Can you provide a link to support this claim please? I'd love to see it.

Just look at the countless posts in the General Forum! Now you're probably going to argue "this doesn't represent the vast majority of players" and you are correct, however just the fact that these posts exist are enough to make you think "There is something wrong with this content". You don't see people going like "The new raid tier is bad because x y z", because not many think that. You DO however see alot of posts about Eureka being bad because people DO think that. Saying Eureka is fun is ALMOST (note the "almost", not "exactly") like saying FATE grinding is fun, and I think it's safe to assume that most people don't find FATE grinding fun.

[Skivvy]

Just look at the countless posts in the General Forum! Now you're probably going to argue "this doesn't represent the vast majority of players" and you are correct, however just the fact that these posts exist are enough to make you think "There is something wrong with this content". You don't see people going like "The new raid tier is bad because x y z", because not many think that. You DO however see alot of posts about Eureka being bad because people DO think that. Saying Eureka is fun is ALMOST (note the "almost", not "exactly") like saying FATE grinding is fun, and I think it's safe to assume that most people don't find FATE grinding fun.

There are a million threads because people cannot keep things to a single feedback thread - or even a few. Like yourself, everyone felt the need to create a new thread, clogging up the front page since it launched. You can't claim any sort of proof based on the number of threads being started. NA forums are notorious for this type of behavior.

[LaylaTsarra]

Just look at the countless posts in the General Forum!

Oh that makes it official. To be honest I have a hard time remembering when this forum actually liked anything new that came out. I still ask for the link or let me suggest you speak for yourself.

[Avatre]

You took that quote out of context.

I think you might be taking what I said out of context.

I didn't point to you saying it was you opinion, just that both of those things are highly suggestive based on person interests for anyone(you, me, anybody on the forums, anybody in the game, the NPCs, the monsters, heck, even the power company just because). What one person will find enjoyable, others may not. Let us take watching something like the Bachelor for example. I personally HATE watching "reality" TV, but some people live their life to watch something like that and enjoy it. Does my view on it invalidate theirs? Not at all.

So people saying that Eureka is "boring", "crap content", or whatever, are in a sense correct(to them and others who share their views), but also wrong(to the ones who enjoy it for what/how it is) due to the subjective nature of their opinions.

[Divinemights]

I mentioned this in the main post, but I'll say it again: I don't claim that Eureka (Community excluded) can't be enjoyable to certain people, I'm just saying a vast majority (As seen from the initial reception of Eureka) find it painfully boring.

First of all, fun is very subjective to each of our own.
Secondly, please do provide the evidence for your so called "vast majority"
JP Poll already showing 57% like and 17% dislike.
EN Poll is showing a ratio of 3:3:3 between likes, dislikes, and don't care.
Please do explain

[Ash_Smokespear]

First of all, fun is very subjective to each of our own.
Secondly, please do provide the evidence for your so called "vast majority"
JP Poll already showing 57% like and 17% dislike.
EN Poll is showing a ratio of 3:3:3 between likes, dislikes, and don't care.
Please do explain

So what you're saying is only one third out of the EN poll likes it. Gotcha.

[Connor]

I agree, a community that can have fun in bad content is obviously a great thing, but it doesn’t mean we should just start ignoring the fact that the content needs improvement. I try to imagine what the content would be like if translated to a single player game(or at least as much possible), and I think it’s safe to say Eureka does not sound fun at all.

Furthermore, it’s probably cynicism, but I don’t believe that the ‘FATE train’ fosters any stronger sense of community than anything else they’ve added. The only reason it’s so widely used is because it’s so efficient compared to the alternatives, not because people are enjoying your company.

[Alaray]

If Eureka came out earlier, closer to SB's release, like launched with Susano and Lakshmi, I'd be more forgiving when I talk about it as a whole.


It does have a good basis, and good potential. But for the wait, for the delays, for the time taken on it the overall experience feels lacking.

Grinding mobs and killing NM's becomes progressively more fun in the sense of "I can just chill during these and not worry about dying" at cap level, and it's not bad to go through content like this with a group of people to talk to (for me, it's Voip with FC mates, a lot of the time out there I just don't have the energy to type). Some of the bosses are interesting in terms of visual design, but the majority don't do anything new -- it's all things we've seen before.

But I'll forever feel like there should be something else. Be it daily quests to complete, be it "hunts" of a kind to go kill certain types of mobs in a specific quantity to receive a decent, guaranteed, reward for the effort; or just... over world dungeons with hidden treasure chests/bosses that can only be spawned upon doing the overworld dungeon, etc...

I still think it's a bit "meh" to have Aetherytes when they're unlocked at level 9. Not the biggest annoyance, but it does blow a bit when I'm helping my lower level friends and we can't make it to a level-appropriate fate the train spawned while we were trying to be near enough to run there (again, trying to spawn a lower level fate). Kinda feel like either have 'em and everyone can use them at level 1, or don't have them at all.

Being able to afk through the boring parts is kind of what saves me. I don't care if people are gonna whine about the level 20 not helping -- I've helped a ton, these mobs die, including level 19 ones, in like 1 or 2 gcd's. It's really not worth it to run around killing them unless you just feel like doing that, and usually, enough people feel like doing it.

It's a beautiful zone, the music is great, I enjoy that the weather system and day/night cycle plays into it more than the other zones. But I wish there were different things to do out there, rather than fate training.


(I ground the crap out of it mostly because I was bored and really wanted my relic stuff)

[Metsonm]

Your options in Eureka are to grind mobs that are no different to the overworld or dungeon trash, or follow the train and raise the people actually doing content since you can't. And good luck if you've only got Samurai levelled or something. Take that away and you're just left with a chatroom, and I don't know about other servers, but Limsa offers that in spades.

[Gelesto]

You don't pay my sub, don't tell me what I can or can't enjoy.