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  1. #81
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    It could possibly happen in the next expansion. FFXIV is known to release new jobs for every new expansion. Heavensward had Machinists, Dark Knight, and Astrologian released; and Stormblood had Red Mage, and Samurai released. Who knows what the jobs in the next expansion will be.
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  2. #82
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biridan View Post
    Imagine having blue mage in any raid type content compared to other tanks. What would that blue mage have to be to actually tank? I feel it would need to specialize so heavily on one aspect of being a blue mage that it would lose out on actually being a blue mage.

    I think the best option is a dps blue mage with an extensive utility kit. He isn't a tank but he has an ability that lets him tank for 20 seconds. He's not a healer but he has some potent heals he can throw out in a pinch. Trying to focus something as versatile as a blue mage into one small part of what it should be wouldnt do the class justice.
    Not really, no.

    Someone elsewhere in the thread mentioned White Wind as an AOE clemency, or Angel Whisper (not the VII version or go with that and make the other tanks rage like black mages over their lack of rez), Dischord which might actually be an issue because muh meta, Big Guard/Mighty Guard/Whatever as their big group wide shield or whatever, Bad Breath, hell even Rippler.

    That's just a handful of mostly iconic abilities that'd aid blue mage in being a tank with its own identity.

    Sure there's an issue with gear, but the bulk of those arguments are just because of aesthetics and most people seem to forget innate stat growth as well.
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  3. #83
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biridan View Post
    I think the best option is a dps blue mage with an extensive utility kit. He isnt a tank but he has an ability that lets him tank for 20 seconds. Hes not a healer but he has some potent heals he can throw out in a pinch. Trying to focus something as versatile as a blue mage into one small part of what it should be wouldnt do the class justice.
    So, another utility DPS?

    Tanks are already the most versatile role in the game.
    They can tank (duh), they deal damage, have raid utility and can mitigate damage on others and/or self heal. That's already a bit if everything.

    Healers and DPS might be able to do the other things (sometimes) but they can't tank.

    A lot of blue magic is already tailored for tanking and utility. Mitigation, gimmicky heals and debuffing, etc.

    Then there's the "getting hit to use blue magic" mechanic that's never going to work if the tank gets all the aggro and you're not a tank....
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    Last edited by Seraphor; 04-03-2018 at 09:09 PM.

  4. #84
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tint View Post
    why does everyone wants Blue Mage to be a tank? we already have PLD and DRK as tanks with magic stuff, now BLM as well? :O

    ...wait a moment... we already have BLM... how would we call Blue Mage then?
    In FF11, they said it was BLU, but if you don’t like that you can go with BUM.....
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  5. #85
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    Tanathya's Avatar
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    What people need to keep in mind is that blue mage is, like I pointed out somewhere else, the most flexible job the FF series has, in every single aspect, be it equipment, skills, or appearance. It can be any role, especially on FFXIV, as Yoshi-P is known to change roles into whatever he sees fit. Every role it could turn into can be easily defended, but not by dismissing the rest of them, because in blue mage's case, everything is possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanathya View Post
    What people need to keep in mind is that blue mage is, like I pointed out somewhere else, the most flexible job the FF series has, in every single aspect, be it equipment, skills, or appearance. It can be any role, especially on FFXIV, as Yoshi-P is known to change roles into whatever he sees fit. Every role it could turn into can be easily defended, but not by dismissing the rest of them, because in blue mage's case, everything is possible.
    Exactly. I'd prefer tank, but I'll take it as anything because I can see it taking any role.
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  7. #87
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeggy View Post
    Exactly. I'd prefer tank, but I'll take it as anything because I can see it taking any role.
    I'd rather not a healer Blue Mage, unless they found a novel way of combining it with something like.
    I think multiple variations of ?-Guard and White Wind would be a bit of a waste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    I'd rather not a healer Blue Mage, unless they found a novel way of combining it with something like.
    I think multiple variations of ?-Guard and White Wind would be a bit of a waste.
    There are 5 healing blue magic skills in FFXI that aren't White Wind, which would be the sixth. I'm most likely missing some, but those are the ones that come off the top of my head.

    I also remember some of them also being Regen spells with maybe extra effects. Blue mage can actually be a great, fun healer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanathya View Post
    There are 5 healing blue magic skills in FFXI that aren't White Wind, which would be the sixth. I'm most likely missing some, but those are the ones that come off the top of my head.

    I also remember some of them also being Regen spells with maybe extra effects. Blue mage can actually be a great, fun healer.
    Well I'd also prefer it if they didn't take XI's magic set from Blue Mage either, seeing as the system would be vastly different.
    XI's BLU was based around learning dozens and dozens of abilities from monsters, so it's no suprise there's 6 healing spells (although a few of them were just variations of white wind, healing breeze, etc.) XIV's would only get a handful, maybe 10 or 15 max once we account for basic skills as well.
    With that in mind I'd rather they took classic Blue Mage spells from the other FF's, White Wind, Mighty Guard, 1000 Needles, Matra Magic, Aqualung, Bad Breath, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    Well I'd also prefer it if they didn't take XI's magic set from Blue Mage either, seeing as the system would be vastly different.
    XI's BLU was based around learning dozens and dozens of abilities from monsters, so it's no suprise there's 6 healing spells (although a few of them were just variations of white wind, healing breeze, etc.) XIV's would only get a handful, maybe 10 or 15 max once we account for basic skills as well.
    With that in mind I'd rather they took classic Blue Mage spells from the other FF's, White Wind, Mighty Guard, 1000 Needles, Matra Magic, Aqualung, Bad Breath, etc.
    No one said they should add the whole skillset, I just pointed out how BLU being a healer is more than possible. Again, BLU can be anything, with any kind of weapon and gear that comes to mind.
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