Released a broken Eureka

[Vstarstruck]

People wanted to play XI but didn't want to sub for the actual game itself. Lo and behold, we get a poor man's XI with more flair but less fun.

I think (hope) SE will improve it dramatically. I can't stomach it as it is right now.

I really hope this was not their idea of trying to put something from FFXI into this game because it does such a poor job in doing so. There is a lot of good things in FFXI this game can learn from, but not abyssea leveling.

OP:
We had a lot of threads on this diadem 3.0 and the mods deleted a lot of them, isn't best just to post in the first impressions thread? such theme does fit what you are talking about here.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...sion-of-Eureka

[Zeonx]

I really hope this was not their idea of trying to put something from FFXI into this game because it does such a poor job in doing so. There is a lot of good things in FFXI this game can learn from, but not abyssea leveling.

OP:
We had a lot of threads on this diadem 3.0 and the mods deleted a lot of them, isn't best just to post in the first impressions thread? such theme does fit what you are talking about here.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...sion-of-Eureka

not a impressions thread, I am basically flat out saying its not fit for release.

It doesn't benefit anyone low level and if you work a job in real life good luck getting ahead in this some people quit FFXI because of the grind and getting left out and came to FFXIV for something new something they wouldn't get pushed out and sure you could say eventually they will patch it but it ain't gonna be anytime soon.

by that time they would of said forget it moved on and SE patches but by that time people moved on the next part they probably added in future making it less able to catch up.

You have to remember everyone pays a subscription and the content created should benefit everyone not making it where people get ditched.

Sorry that's just how I see it.

[Vstarstruck]

not a impressions thread, I am basically flat out saying its not fit for release.

It doesn't benefit anyone low level and if you work a job in real life good luck getting ahead in this some people quit FFXI because of the grind and getting left out and came to FFXIV for something new something they wouldn't get pushed out and sure you could say eventually they will patch it but it ain't gonna be anytime soon.

by that time they would of said forget it moved on and SE patches but by that time people moved on the next part they probably added in future making it less able to catch up.

I agree but I am trying to tell you making a new thread on this is not a good idea, SE has been deleting them expecting them to post in that one.

Not being invited to a party purely because high levels are wanted is purely the players fault. Not Eureka's and not SEs.

Wrong it is SE's fault, with all the delays, level sync function in this environment should of been expected. Even with all the delays and recourse allocation to it in 17 month development ended up being released rushed and unfinished, no excuse for that.

[TraeSnow]

Wrong it is SE's fault, with all the delays, level sync function in this environment should of been expected.

Last I checked there is no feature created by SE that is forcing people to only play with other high levels. It is a choice by the player. SE has no control over that and they never will.

[Vstarstruck]

Last I checked there is no feature created by SE that is forcing people to only play with other high levels. It is a choice by the player. SE has no control over that and they never will.

Do you know what level sync is? It has been in FFXI for like 8 years, there is NO EXCUSE for this place to lack it, so it is SE's fault.
https://youtu.be/kGvtpwwHoJo?t=615

[TraeSnow]

Do you know what level sync is? It has been in FFXI for like 8 years, there is NO EXCUSE for this place to lack it, so it is SE's fault.
https://youtu.be/kGvtpwwHoJo?t=615

Has nothing to do with level sync. The OP stated their friend was being kicked from NM parties because of their level. You do not need to sync your level to share exp for NMs.

Since an entire party of level 10s fighting a lvl 19 NM can still achieve gold participation, there is no reason at all in the DESIGN that forces people to only play with high levels for NMs. It is purely player choice, not a flaw in Eureka's design.

Now, grinding on mobs for exp, then yes, the flaw is with Eureka's design because you need to be with a party your level or you will not get exp. However, the OP stated NM train.

[Vstarstruck]

It's been about a week and a half, and the majority of players in an instance are probably lvl 13 and up. XI didn't have just one job to level in the same way you only have elemental level in Eureka, nor was it possible to get that far that fast through no-lifing. There also eventually was level sync, and even as early as WOTG they had to start adding solo friendly measures to leveling. You can't really defend this system.

Now you know why I been calling some people white knights. There is no reason to defend such flaws outside that motivation.

Uh, low levels don't "contribute nothing." If they contributed nothing, then a full team of low levels wouldn't be able to achieve gold participation in high level NMs. Healing isn't based on level or your Magia. Red Mage being able to fully revive an entire party with ease is still contributing. (Even high levels die in NMs) They will only deal less damage to NM, but participation is also based on healing. Will they get one hit by mechanics of NM? Possibly, but if they know how to dodge, their chances vastly improve. I remember doing Serket while under level and I never took damage the entire NM.

Players just seem to think only high levels offer anything to the party, when it isn't entirely true.

You are stating untrue stuff. A low level party is leeching off the higher level players that it is meant for. They are not helping to kill it at all, just doing enough to get those points. It is better then jamming one button for 3+hrs getting carpal tunnel and I do it knowing full well I am leeching, I only do so because I want to play and talk to my SO. Don't sit there and tell me doing 100 or less damage per move is "participation"

Has nothing to do with level sync. The OP stated their friend was being kicked from NM parties because of their level. You do not need to sync your level to share exp for NMs.

Since an entire party of level 10s fighting a lvl 19 NM can still achieve gold participation, there is no reason at all in the DESIGN that forces people to only play with high levels for NMs. It is purely player choice, not a flaw in Eureka's design.

Now, grinding on mobs for exp, then yes, the flaw is with Eureka's design because you need to be with a party your level or you will not get exp. However, the OP stated NM train.

Nope it is SE's fault, it is the design choice result of rushing something unfinished out. (Also I do realize they delayed it, and the irony of saying they rushed something despite delays but it is what literally happened, this content was not ready to be released. This is why SE needs to start management tools like contingency plans better. There should been some earlier stage someone should went "we can't make this work go to plan B. What we see now with diadem 3.0 is bad management, bad planning, and bad testing, while trying to force this out anyway in an unfinished state.)

[Zeonx]

Has nothing to do with level sync. The OP stated their friend was being kicked from NM parties because of their level. You do not need to sync your level to share exp for NMs.

Never said he was being kicked, said he can't get a spot because they rather have a high level LFG than a low one for train when spots open.

I also said Level 3's and 5's were in the train groups but of course that could be friends or LS FC mates getting a boost while some people are nice about it some people aren't and when someone shouts level 4 and then someone shouts a level 20 who do you think they are going to choose?

all day long and trust me he logged off after shouting for a few hours even looking in party finder, idk why you think i said he got kicked.

[SinisterJoints]

Do you know what level sync is? It has been in FFXI for like 8 years, there is NO EXCUSE for this place to lack it, so it is SE's fault.
https://youtu.be/kGvtpwwHoJo?t=615

there IS level sync... The question is... Do YOU know what it is?

The level sync in THIS GAME will only take a higher level and make them lower for the content. It will not take a low level and make them higher. Also it will only happen for Fates, Dungeons, Raids, Trials, etc.