Released a broken Eureka

[Krotoan]

Not being invited to a party purely because high levels are wanted is purely the players fault. Not Eureka's and not SEs. You do not need an entire team of 19s to get Gold participation but people seem to think you do.

The general rule for Eureka for leveling off mobs is: If solo, fight mobs the same level as you, maybe a level above IF you can handle it and not die. If party, fight 3+ levels higher.
If your friend is fighting lvl 1 mobs as a lvl 4, then yes, it is going to feel boring and will take forever. For raises, I've never been in an Eureka instance where all players didn't get raised after the NM was over. Ever. During? Eh, depends on MP of the RezMages.

I leveled to 20 purely off NM trains and in all the parties I was in, no one was ever kicked for their level. So it seems odd your friend is getting invited and then kicked. It does suck being a low level in Eureka, for sure, but not everyone is an elitist. When I make a party, I personally invite anyone that asks for a party. Regardless of level (I even invited a level 1 to NM train because he asked to lol).

In all, Eureka is partially to blame for being non newb friendly (In sense of low levels having a hard time) but players are also to blame.

There are ways to encourage people to party together even with level disparity. Eureka has NONE. this is a design failure. The majority of players , and humans in fact, will act in self interest first. This needs to be considered when designing something like this.
Blaming the players for something they have a choice to do and choosing NOT to cart around dead weight is not ok.

[Penthea]

Blaming the players for something they have a choice to do and choosing NOT to cart around dead weight is not ok.

...you think it's unreasonable for people to want everyone to do their fair share? o.O

[Krotoan]

...you think it's unreasonable for people to want everyone to do their fair share? o.O

I think it's unreasonable to expect people to want to have lowbies in their party when they contribute nothing.
Thus damning lowbies to party with each other , which is a dwindling pool. Since it's dwindling now we have lowbies experiencing the wonder that is the single player eureka grind, which is undeniably slow and tedious.

There COULD have been incentives for large level disparities to party together, or high levels to cart around low levels, but there arent.

[TraeSnow]

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Uh, low levels don't "contribute nothing." If they contributed nothing, then a full team of low levels wouldn't be able to achieve gold participation in high level NMs. Healing isn't based on level or your Magia. Red Mage being able to fully revive an entire party with ease is still contributing. (Even high levels die in NMs) They will only deal less damage to NM, but participation is also based on healing. Will they get one hit by mechanics of NM? Possibly, but if they know how to dodge, their chances vastly improve. I remember doing Serket while under level and I never took damage the entire NM.

Players just seem to think only high levels offer anything to the party, when it isn't entirely true.

[Penthea]

I think it's unreasonable to expect people to want to have lowbies in their party when they contribute nothing.
Thus damning lowbies to party with each other , which is a dwindling pool. Since it's dwindling now we have lowbies experiencing the wonder that is the single player eureka grind, which is undeniably slow and tedious.

There COULD have been incentives for large level disparities to party together, or high levels to cart around low levels, but there arent.

I think Eureka would benefit greatly from a LFG tool or some sort of hidden feature that tosses you into instances with players of similar level.

That being said I don't think there is a lack of low level players. I still see plenty in Eureka. I think the issue is they're often spread across too many instances. It's not a good experience if you're lvl 5 and you're thrown into an instance with mostly lvl 15+ players, while another instance has plenty of players that are close to your level but isn't full yet.

I don't think it would be difficult for SE to create a system that places you in an instance based on your level or the average level of your party. Right now the game just tosses you into any instance that isn't full. That's pretty silly.

[Canadane]

You have to do the thing everyone who played XI or 1.0 had to do.
Spend most of your game time forming a party. If you cannot find a train group, and don't want to solo things, then you find your own party. It will not be fast. This is part of the experience and is a feature.

[Metsonm]

You have to do the thing everyone who played XI or 1.0 had to do.
Spend most of your game time forming a party. If you cannot find a train group, and don't want to solo things, then you find your own party. It will not be fast. This is part of the experience and is a feature.

Frustrating features are bad features, though. Just because it was obtuse in 1.0 doesn't mean it should be bad in 4.0, too.

[RiyahArp]

Spend most of your game time forming a party.

It's been about a week and a half, and the majority of players in an instance are probably lvl 13 and up. XI didn't have just one job to level in the same way you only have elemental level in Eureka, nor was it possible to get that far that fast through no-lifing. There also eventually was level sync, and even as early as WOTG they had to start adding solo friendly measures to leveling. You can't really defend this system.

[Crescents]

This isnt a flaw with Eureka anyone whos been playing MMOs for longer than six months recognizes this behavior its not an inherent problem with the content it's a problem with people only wanting the best groups to get done the fastest, I'm max elemental level with several relics and honestly you can find a party you just have to be willing to look, sure it'll take sometime it'll happen but it will.

I'm really struggling to understand how it's SE's fault people cant get parties, it isn't, all SE can do is add incentives to take lower levelled players but thats not SE's responsibility its the players to stop being selfish theres even ways around just spamming shout chat 'til you get an invite.

You could ask any FCs/LSs you're a part of or put up a PF beforehand to find players around your level to go with there's plenty trust me. This community needs to be stop being so determined to hate this content and actually put some effort in to make it work for them, because its sure as kupo better than another monotonous tome grind.

[Krotoan]

This isnt a flaw with Eureka anyone whos been playing MMOs for longer than six months recognizes this behavior its not an inherent problem with the content it's a problem with people only wanting the best groups to get done the fastest, I'm max elemental level with several relics and honestly you can find a party you just have to be willing to look, sure it'll take sometime it'll happen but it will.

I'm really struggling to understand how it's SE's fault people cant get parties, it isn't, all SE can do is add incentives to take lower levelled players but thats not SE's responsibility its the players to stop being selfish theres even ways around just spamming shout chat 'til you get an invite.

You could ask any FCs/LSs you're a part of or put up a PF beforehand to find players around your level to go with there's plenty trust me. This community needs to be stop being so determined to hate this content and actually put some effort in to make it work for them, because its sure as kupo better than another monotonous tome grind.

It is SE's objective to make content engaging for as many players as possible. Excluding people who aren't skilled at party forming or don't want to stand around in an instance yelling for 20 minutes isn't productive. Especially when the rest of the game has a "pick the thing you want to do, wait for it to start" mechanic.

I don't know why you think putting the onus to make something accessible is on the player.
The fact they COULD have made SOMETHING to help those people out, even designed the system better to make it beneficial to pick up other players besides similar level players is a failing.
I'm NOT determined to hate it, I want it to be friendly to everyone and it wont be. I've got mine, but it wasn't very fun and I don't see it being fun in the future. I've got suggestions on how to improve it and telling the company "it's ok, the people should just deal with it" is very selfish.

Why are you so determined to let obviously restrictive and short lived things stand when they could be better?

I get you enjoy it and like I said earlier, have at it! Grind those levels and get that gear! .. but people are going to be left behind and feeling crappy about it and it could be fixed without ANY detriment to the experience you already had. It might even make it so more people are playing for the next step and you'll get that social interaction in spades.