Confessions of a Toxic Elitist

[KisaiTenshi]

To be fair...there was a time for a bit where you replied to me on a lot of posts I made.

Nay, there is one time, probably on the same day, where you posted something about someone being unwilling to accept unsolicited advice from yourself in the venting thread, and basically all you did was make the problem worse. You genuinely seem to care about helping people, but don't like it when people refuse it.

Bourne isn't harassing you...if you post information that others know to be incorrect they may post to correct said information. Unfortunately sometimes you post information on a topic that you must not have a full understanding of therefore others end up correcting it.

Miste, surely you realize that if someone posts something on the internet, and some significant amount of time has passed, bringing it up again without being prompted just makes you look petty. That is what Bourne is doing, that is what akaneakki is doing.

How is responding to an ill-informed post on a discussion forum harassment?

[F_Maximillian]

As long as you admit you're wrong. :P

[SenorPatty]

@Bourne & Kisai

You guys could just use the ignore function. Pragmatically speaking, neither of you is going to convince one another, which would be fine if it didn't ultimately end up in a slugfest rally spanning page after page.

[ChaoticCrimson]

Is this the Lochs? Because the amount of salt I'm seeing here over the last several pages is immeasurable.

[HyoMinPark]

Yeah, that’s not an answer my question.

People are allowed to respond and correct others if they see that someone is posting misinformation on a public discussion forum. That doesn’t make it harassment. Considering you keep responding to people, they’re more than within their rights to respond to you if they so desire. Again, that doesn’t make it harassment. If you don’t want people responding to you, don’t post on social media sites where they can—stick to private blogs that do not allow comments on posts. You can also stop replying to them, and drop the snark.

Miste, surely you realize that if someone posts something on the internet, and some significant amount of time has passed, bringing it up again without being prompted just makes you look petty. That is what Bourne is doing, that is what akaneakki is doing.

You were the one who brought it up, actually:

Aww, you felt left out. I was thinking of a way to say "Person who keeps digging up the dead chocobos from 2.0 content, or really ANY old content, to say someone is bad at the game." If you forget the context of that conversation it was because it was in one of those many "pure healer, vs idiot dps healer" arguments. Which was the point of "h) Instead of taking advice, looks at players lodestone to try and find a reason to dismiss their advice or opinion" Which is what you just did now, congrats toxic player, here's your award: nothing! you get zero internet points!

The post you responded to only mentioned giving ill advice as a form of “toxicity” or “elitism”, such as not using regens or AOE skills in dungeons. Nowhere was it bringing up a “dead chocobo from 2.x”, as you say. You were the one who brought that up in this post.

[zuzu-bq]

Is this the Lochs? Because the amount of salt I'm seeing here over the last several pages is immeasurable.

Nah, someone just decided to be the living proof of the thread's topic.

[Miste]

Nay, there is one time, probably on the same day, where you posted something about someone being unwilling to accept unsolicited advice from yourself in the venting thread, and basically all you did was make the problem worse. You genuinely seem to care about helping people, but don't like it when people refuse it.

It wasn't only one time. You replied to me in more than one thread, but it is whatever. I don't harbor any ill feelings about something that long ago if I had I would have kept you on ignore.

No... it isn't that I "don't like it" when people refuse it. I simply "don't understand" why some people refuse it, but me not understanding doesn't matter...the only time I am ever tiny bit more insistent is when the run is at stake from wipes. If people aren't doing stuff that will cause wipes I don't care if they don't want to accept my advice.

Unfortunately that specific situation was almost killing the party. So yes I tried only two times to try to explain to them I am just trying to help and because actively avoiding the party failing seems like a good thing to me.

Two times of a few sentences isn't excessive nor was I rude to them at all, but I know I've told you this already in that very thread so it only shows again you don't listen to what I say usually :/

Miste, surely you realize that if someone posts something on the internet, and some significant amount of time has passed, bringing it up again without being prompted just makes you look petty. That is what Bourne is doing, that is what akaneakki is doing.

Unfortunately it was relevant to what you said about parsers since you have in the past made similar mistakes. We all must mind what we post since it is there indefinitely unless deleted by mods. If you are afraid of people remembering things you've posted and mentioning them again it is likely better to just not bother posting unfortunately :/ and I am not saying this to be rude at all or in a bad way, it is simply friendly advice.

I mean I always try my best to be respectful to everyone on here, but I am no saint either. I've made mistakes and been more blunt than I should have been sometimes or being sarcastic (usually towards people who do it first, but still). I accept that though and if people wanna say something about something I said in the past I will clarify, accept if I was wrong, or apologize if I did something unnecessary.

[KisaiTenshi]

You were the one who brought it up, actually:

Then you haven't been paying attention to the thread.

I make a quip about parser users using unauthorized tools is basically cheating

akaneakki gaslights me by bringing up a comment I made on obsolete content from 2017, and then Bourne_Endeavor also tries to gaslight me with the same comment. Both are using a red herring logical fallacy in order to try and question any validity, legal or otherwise of my statement about unauthorized tools despite the fact that I quoted the EULA for the game.

I don't need to prove anything.

[KisaiTenshi]

Unfortunately it was relevant to what you said about parsers since you have in the past made similar mistakes. We all must mind what we post since it is there indefinitely unless deleted by mods. If you are afraid of people remembering things you've posted and mentioning them again it is likely better to just not bother posting unfortunately :/ and I am not saying this to be rude simply friendly advice.

I mean I always try my best to be respectful to everyone on here, but I am no saint either. I've made mistakes and been more blunt than I should have been sometimes or being sarcastic (usually towards people who do it first, but still). I accept that though and if people wanna say something about something I said in the past I will clarify or apologize if I did something unnecessary.

It's not relevant at all. It's like saying you shouldn't eat someones food, because they once burned a cake.

[HyoMinPark]

Then you haven't been paying attention to the thread.

I make a quip about parser users using unauthorized tools is basically cheating

akaneakki gaslights me by bringing up a comment I made on obsolete content from 2017, and then Bourne_Endeavor also tries to gaslight me with the same comment. Both are using a red herring logical fallacy in order to try and question any validity, legal or otherwise of my statement about unauthorized tools despite the fact that I quoted the EULA for the game.

I don't need to prove anything.

Except I have. The post akaneakki made was this one, in response to your Qualities of a Toxic Elitist post:

You forgot to mention that people who think they play good, but people give them advice, then refuse to take it and tells people how to play. It's like that one person on this forum who said regen shouldn't be used on tanks, because it generates too much aggro, while it's the best gcd in game when it comes to healing. Or DPS who think aoe is bad in dungeons? Etc, the list goes long. And how is it elitist to want people to skip cutsceene? I don't think you understand the word elitist at all honestly.

Nowhere in this post is there any mention of you. You were the one who actually made it personal, I’m assuming by construing that “that one person on this forum who said regen shouldn’t be used on tanks” as a personal attack against you. The post is just pointing out that people who have no idea what they’re talking about probably should not be giving advice on things they know nothing of. It doesn’t appear to be a jab at you, from where I am standing, but you apparently took it as such. Why is that?



Parser usage is not cheating; I see that you are still standing behind that. A parser shows you numbers, and while it can be programmed to call out specific mechanics/attacks for you, it is still ultimately up to you, the player, to react to them and perform them properly. Parsers can give feedback on performance. But feedback in the form of numbers (that are ultimately meaningless unless you can understand the context surrounding them) is not cheating. Since you define cheating as such:

Because people who start using unauthorized tools to improve their performance over others, sure sounds like cheating to me.

Parsers do not directly influence one’s performance; one’s performance is influenced by the way people react to data and guides, and how they apply it to themselves. Not by a parser alone. Unless a person can use the data provided in a meaningful way, they do not serve as any influence on performance, and are otherwise meaningless. “Unauthorized tools” would basically cover everything players use to try and improve their performance (video guides, job guides, rotation guides, etc.) except the Official Job Guides published on the Lodestone, which have skill tooltips copied from the game onto the webpage, and basic combos for jobs that have them. But, as far as I know, there is no word on the developers that these things are “unauthorized”.


The posts made against you regarding parsers were 1.) the data is not something private, and therefore not an invasion of privacy (since I know that was brought up about 10 pages or so ago); all Battle Log data is publicly available to each and every player in this game, and all a parser does is read it and consolidate it into a single number (e.g., 4,500.00 DPS) instead of “Timmy used Heavy Shot” > “Boss took 2756 damage”; and 2.) you seemed to be confusing a “parser” and a “trigger”; they are not one and the same.

If SE wanted to pursue legal actions against sites like the FFXIV Wiki and FFLogs for “unauthorized use” of their materials, don’t you think they would have done so by now? Considering that they have not, it’s probably not a huge concern of theirs. They probably know that, if they did pursue legal action, more sites would just pop up in their place—which would just start a vicious cycle of pursuing each new site, wasting an insane amount of money on court fees and the like, and, ultimately, not worth the effort. You cite the EULA, but most companies are more than aware of the fact that people rarely follow them to a T; they serve usually as just a means for corporations to cover their butts legally if they so choose. Since SE has not chosen to pursue legal action against these “unauthorized tools”....


If you’ve ever been known to make ill-informed, misinformed, or incorrect statements in the past, well, those sort of things affect your future credibility and reliability. Which is why you should probably research the things you say before you say them, or just humbly accept being corrected, as you were corrected on the difference between “parser” and “trigger”. Rather than continue to argue about it, and claim people are “harassing” you when you continue to reply to them.