Confessions of a Toxic Elitist

[HoodRat]

Expanding on popular jobs topic: It will really depend of the job. Jobs with high popularity can be easier to do comparatively better if most of the population are just really bad, this is a case of BRD. In the end the log's rankings are all about comparison. Jobs like MNK and MCH where you have lower popularity but many of those players are skilled speedrunners will make it really hard to compete.

Yeah, that's also true.

[SenorPatty]

Wow. I just saw that video and then the thread.

I have...NO WORDS.

just...wow. Omg. How can someone be so...obtuse? Holy moly.

And now they're just doing that whole behavior all over again here.

I'm amazed and not in the good way. woo

[Lilseph]

Wow. I just saw that video and then the thread.

I have...NO WORDS.

just...wow. Omg. How can someone be so...obtuse? Holy moly.

And now they're just doing that whole behavior all over again here.

I'm amazed and not in the good way. woo

This is why I didn't bother with him. He not only derailed the thread, but also started to call names while calling people cheaters and toxic. It's just a waste of oxygen. The best way to deal with a troll, is to ignore them.

Kaiva:

I've been in your shoes before (and I still am, to be honest). I have been raiding since 2.0, and when I thought I was being good at my job, joining other statics and pugging taught me the hard way how I suck with certain things, like mechanics execution, DPS output and adaptation. FFLogs wasn't a thing back then, so your only feedback was the other players calling you bad. It was depressing, and you feel powerless, because you really don't know what to do. Your whole world crumbles in front of your eyes. The only advice I can give you, is to practice. Surround yourself with supportive people, ask for feedback, be humble and never have things for granted. There's always room for improvement and no one is perfect. Just press on. On my end, I got ACT, asked "the elite" (who were extremely supportive and helpful), read guides, watched videos, practiced on dummies and whatnot. Perseverance is highly rewarding in the end.

I understand how depression works, as a depressive person myself (it's epidemic at this point of history, to be honest), and I know how hard it is to deal with our inner demons. We really don't choose what affects us, it just happens. Like I said before, try to stay with around of people that will support you and have your back when shit hits the fan.

You're not alone!

PD: We're in the same datacenter cluster if you ever want to talk to just mess around.

[Kallistra]

Glad to see Keeping Up With the Official Forums is still going strong.

[WilhelmWhite]

Glad to see Keeping Up With the Official Forums is still going strong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1To_sXn9oU

^This thread in a nutshell

[RokkuEkkusu]

I'm not much of a parser person, but I do expect some effort from each party member. When I don't see the typical buffs,dots, and/or appropriate debuffs from certain roles, that means the person is not making use of the role's toolkit.

I may not be good enough for the parser sites, but I will put whatever effort I can to complete high-end content and earn the rewards that are available at my skill level. If an Extreme Primal mount is farmable for me, I will go for it and earn it one way or another.

[zuzu-bq]

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That's the spirit!

[KaivaC]

The recent posts gave me cause to think about something. Quite a few times, I have stated something and been called out on how incorrect I was. The prominent in my mind was a tanking argument I got involved in, and was called out for how wrong I was - something that, at the time, I felt that I was not wrong for. However, I eventually did realize that I was wrong, and I admitted to it. My threads about the general player base, while they might not have been exactly wrong, once I saw that I was pulling grey parses, I fell into a deep rut that I admittedly lost my confidence over because I was amongst that same player base that I was calling out - in hindsight, I was being a hypocrite for posting about that when I haven't reached the level that I wanted the player base to get to.

The point is, I see where I was wrong at. I've admitted to it, paid the price for my hubris, and I have been very open to all the comments in this thread. It's the reason why I haven't really counter argued anything, because right now, I'm listening to what everybody is saying (like, really listening). I want to thank everybody for their support, I truly, truly, truly did not expect to get as much support as I have. I am humbled for sure.

On the recent discussion, parsers are tools - yes, they can have a hugely negative impact, but only if those who don't understand it or are jerks in the first place use it in that manner. It's unfair to say that I fell into my current situation because of parsers. I'm in this position because of a multitude of reasons (depression, hubris, this being one of the worst times of the year for me in personal life, realizing how hypocritical I've been, over-analyzing myself). While parsers are indeed against EULA, they are just tools meant for improvement. After taking advice from peers and utilizing a parser tool, I have seen a personal improvement not only in DPS, but my understanding of SMN in general. I don't believe that parsers are cheating, though I admit, using it to compare myself to others based on this idea that I'm a green/orange was foolish.

They are great tools for comparing your cast times to others, viewing rotations and seeing where you went wrong vs what they did to succeed. In other words, high-level optimization. I don't blame the tool, I blame my own misuse of the tool even though I cannot personally use it (PS4 player). I openly pointed out my logs, not to show 'this is what parsers did to me', but to point out that, because of my sometimes controversial nature on the forums, I have realized that I was speaking about things that I do not have the credentials to talk about right now. And I am not afraid to admit that. I'm human. And right now, I'm in the mindframe of just shutting my mouth, listening, and learning.

I will end with this though: regarding the recent talk about harassment and all that - look, I made a simple joke to lighten the mood. How that went from a miqote yuri screenplay that I jokingly suggested to a full blown argument, I don't know. But while we do get into heated arguments, this community is not one for that type of thing. Compare recent discussions to what you will find in other MMO discussion boards. An example of online harassment can be found over there. Just make a mention of Call of Duty or how Moira is unfair for Genji or Tracer mains, or just say FFXIV in a WoW thread, or bring up WoW in SWTOR discussion boards.

Let's just call it what it is in this thread: heated disagreement.

[Savagelf]

I been part a gaming group called Good guy gaming who desire is to combat toxicities. there step they suggest if first you must admit your part of the problem. yes I am part problem too once one admit they part problem then where we go for there is up to us we must honest and admit we just toxicities with are elitism too.

[micropanther7]

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I think SenorPatty said it the best really, and I haven't read all the replies in the thread yet, just wanted to add my two cents. Regardless of how threads evolve (or devolve lol is that even a word?), your posts are insightful and helpful, and you are always learning and trying to better yourself... I'd say that makes you far from being a poor player or toxic, you gotta stop being so hard on yourself. With regards to myself, I get anxiety, it's a lot better since I had hypnotherapy, if something shakes my confidence I try to think "What can I take from this that's positive and learn from it?". That kind of perspective does take a bit of practice but it helps a lot, for me personally. I see dropping my sub as letting the negative experiences win, but would take a break instead, that would be what I would recommend to you