Eureka Vote

[Tanathya]

We'll see in the future if SQEX, and Yoshi-P particularly, steps up again to try and acknowledge in some way (be it trying to sell us another piece of content as "it's not gonna be like Eureka, promise" or as "Eureka revisited a la Diadem 2.0!") that Eureka wasn't "what they expected". My money's on that, as they've proven time and again that it's their MO. Like I said, we'll see, but we're seeing the exact same reaction on both parts that we saw in both Diadem 1.0 and then Diadem 2.0. Not even this is new in any way.

[Vstarstruck]

That just translates to "play other games if you want to enjoy something I don't" to me.

Also, nothing dangerous? Maybe if you're a high level (and not soloing level 20+ mobs), but low level, everything can kill you pretty quick.

Deal with the fact people enjoy Eureka. It makes life easier.

Why are you posting this? my reply to the post right above you fits as a reply to you:

It's genuinely surprising just how blind some people are. It basically IS Diadem 3.0 because it is running around and killing things and trying to spawn fates. That's it. Sure, there's the elemental wheel, leveling process (which was in PotD too though Eureka's is far, far slower) and the gorgeous scenery...but it has all the elements of Diadem from start to finish. Just has an XI skin to "mask" it. Only redeeming qualities are the currently easy relic weapons and armor, a mount, minions and glamour pieces. The last 3 rewards were in available in Diadem as well, granted they are completely new. (the glamour pieces, aside from 2, are not new, and are versions of HW or early SB pieces which can be dyed). But they're part of any new content so I wouldn't really say there's a correlation there. There's also lockboxes which were available in Diadem and PotD. Hardly new and innovative themselves, but surprisingly profitable.

But yeah, Diadem 3.0 is accurate, regardless of whether you are able or willing to see it. I'd probably call it Diadem of the Dead, though, because it's basically a Diadem/PotD hybrid.

adding:
I can level 1 or level 11 or level 20, nothing is dangerous. It is simply annoying. This means, oh no people running this way? Ill get the aetherite next time because the monsters are too crammed in one place. In ffxi you could maneuver around, be skilled at being a "ninja" esp when you know distances and TS situations. You had to be because you did not have tons of people in one area due to it being a big world. Diadem 3.0 has tons of people packed into a little space while having your paths outlined with rails (most of the time) It is very small, there is always someone around incase you do not make that 10 feet point of resetting the monster. The ranges are too small to chase you and caring if you died or not there is a joke.

I accept people like it, liking it is fine, what is not ok, is this thread:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-the-community

People that like it, tend to go out of their way, such as your self, of not criticizing the game. Should take a look at my reply to this one post here:

You are right, I don't have the slightest clue about how game development works. As a player, I only know whether I enjoyed a piece of content that's been hyped up delayed multiple times and so far my feelings on it is indifference since the same problems that's been in the game for years are still present in this content. Yeah they worked hard on it or whatever but so does literally every other player who worked hard for the money that they earned to but and pay the sub fees for this game. Trying to silence negative opinions is how you really kill a game since then all the devs would see will be satisfaction and praises then they will become complacent and stop trying as hard since hurr durr you don't know how game development works so you better stfu.

This is why I do not get why people white knight and further confused why I do not see it existing on the Japanese OF. In the end the attempt is ironic in the effect it harms the game in the long run while not helping anything.

Anyways your post was well thought out, +1 for you

Doing what you are doing only harms the game, trying to silence people that do not like something. What if 50% of the player base was told "play a different game" for not liking this diadem 3.0? What would you think will happen after that? What will you think will happen if a large significant population pulled this sub like you want (15%+) it does not look good for the game, for the investors, and such. In the end your efforts only harm the game you love, so why do it?

[Nestama]

I've not been trying to silence people, but to point out that no matter what, people like Eureka. Also, to say that I haven't criticised SE on anything about FFXIV is a flat out lie.

• ARR 2.2-2.5 dungeons are the worst dungeons in the game (they still are). They're all boring, most dungeon bosses are FATE boss level (think bird FATE in Coerthas Central Highlands. Eureka FATE's are comparable to Chimera and Hydra Trials) and the gear you got would never be used as catch-up gear. Thankfully, HW and SB dungeons are improvements.
• Atma, Animus, Novus, Anima, Light farming... I hated all of these.
• Diadem v1 is trash. Was kind of okay with Diadem v2, though I wish I could have done the Emergency Mission.
• Syrcus Tower and most World of Darkness bosses are trash (Angra Mainyu is awesome, though).
• Male glamour.
• 2.0 latency. Titan HM was stupid back then and I had to learn how to pre-dodge (and then de-learn when I got a PS4 and after 2.1 was released because I was dodging too soon and getting others hit by AoE's in Titan EX)
• 3.1 overall (except Thordan EX).
• Latency in Savage. I shouldn't be getting hit by the Saintly Beam I've been out of for three second. Also the Abandonment mechanic needs to be a little lenient because of latency.

Eureka isn't perfect and it does need a few things to make it better, but as a whole, it's not a failure. Some like it, some hate it. That said, the people who hate it (not all, but I have seen some) shouldn't make it seem like Eureka shouldn't exist. It's optional content you can choose to ignore and if you're not having fun with FFXIV right now, it's perfectly okay to take a break and return for the next patch cycle (I have a feeling a dev or Yoshi-P himself may have recommended this). It's what I've done every so often when I just wasn't having fun any more and if I hated Eureka (and didn't have a static), probably would have cancelled my sub until 4.3.

It also helps that I no longer get hyped for anything in this game. 3.1 disappointed me (and that was actually delayed) as I was rather hyped for Diadem v1. I had no expectations from Eureka (aside from expecting a grind of sorts, because Relic) and I got exactly what I 'expected' and a little more (although the NM train will steam roll the low level NM's now, the high level NM's constantly kill people who don't know the mechanics... or in the Monoeye NM's case, get latency-killed). One thing I do hope for, is force pop NM's with key items. If SE can do this in the future (and fix the level sync and visibility problems in Eureka), then I'll be happier.

[Jijifli]

Deal with the fact people enjoy Eureka. It makes life easier.

No matter how terrible something is, there's going to be someone that likes it.

There are people that truly believe 1.0 FFXIV was the best FFXIV and every update only ruined it. 1.0 was also considered a massive failure, but people did like it still. But Square still changed it up, since just because someone likes it, doesn't mean it's good.

[Vahlnir]

People that like it, tend to go out of their way, such as your self, of not criticizing the game.

I've...been pretty dang vocal being against Eureka. I have also been criticizing their content and servers for awhile now. Not sure where you're getting that from. At all. I was pointing out the flaw in someone else's post. lol

While you have some good points yourself...in fact, I'd basically agree with you on everything, the credibility goes down when you accuse someone of defending something when they haven't. Not even close, in fact.

[Vstarstruck]

I've...been pretty dang vocal being against Eureka. I have also been criticizing their content and servers for awhile now. Not sure where you're getting that from. At all. I was pointing out the flaw in someone else's post. lol

While you have some good points yourself...in fact, I'd basically agree with you on everything, the credibility goes down when you accuse someone of defending something when they haven't. Not even close, in fact.

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my post was not to you at all, just using what you said to Nestama
I said:
"Why are you posting this? my reply to the post right above you fits as a reply to you"

How in the heck did you get a negative message directed to you in that post O_o
https://gyazo.com/84682e1a7f989e3922857336e723e178
See how your post is above Nestama's? no idea how anyone could misunderstand that.

[Vahlnir]

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my post was not to you at all, just using what you said to Nestama
I said:
"Why are you posting this? my reply to the post right above you fits as a reply to you"

How in the heck did you get a negative message directed to you in that post O_o
https://gyazo.com/84682e1a7f989e3922857336e723e178
See how your post is above Nestama's? no idea how anyone could misunderstand that.

I apologize for taking it the wrong way. It was the way it was structured is all. No harm no foul.

[Nestama]

There are people that truly believe 1.0 FFXIV was the best FFXIV and every update only ruined it. 1.0 was also considered a massive failure, but people did like it still. But Square still changed it up, since just because someone likes it, doesn't mean it's good.

I see your point, but it's making it sound like anyone who likes Eureka will claim there's nothing wrong with it and it's fine the way it is. Eureka isn't perfect and it has features missing that should have been available from the beginning, but can be added at a later date.

Comparing 1.0 and Eureka is also a little unfair. The difference between 1.0 and Eureka is that one is a game (everything), while another is a feature(? Would this be the right word?). Eureka is something you can choose to ignore and it's also something (as said above) that can be updated and 'fixed' over time without requiring an enormous overhaul, which is what needed to be done for 1.0. Can you imagine doing any Extreme/Savage content in 1.0's playstyle?

[Vstarstruck]

I see your point, but it's making it sound like anyone who likes Eureka will claim there's nothing wrong with it and it's fine the way it is. Eureka isn't perfect and it has features missing that should have been available from the beginning, but can be added at a later date.

Comparing 1.0 and Eureka is also a little unfair. The difference between 1.0 and Eureka is that one is a game (everything), while another is a feature(? Would this be the right word?). Eureka is something you can choose to ignore and it's also something (as said above) that can be updated and 'fixed' over time without requiring an enormous overhaul, which is what needed to be done for 1.0. Can you imagine doing any Extreme/Savage content in 1.0's playstyle?

No it is fair, you are reading too much into the details. His point was no matter how bad something is, there are people that would like something no matter how bad it is. After stating this he was just referencing a really bad .. concept? to like and was so bad it lead to the game getting a reboot, despite all that proof how bad it was, there was some that still liked it, so that can't be proof for anything (some like it so it is ok) Even though it was not an extreme case, it is still a a strawman (attacking the compression detail) and not the point, then you try to defeat that detail, that has nothing to do with what he is saying.

For your first part though, that is the vibe I get with some posters that will go out of their way to defend this and trying to make anything someone with negative views on it seem invalid. This is further enforced when people resort to blatant word twisting and will not admit misunderstanding so it seems like it is done on purpose.

For the idea "you can ignore it" yes we can but it is supposed to be the main side content of SB since it is tied to relic, and delay after delay. It is not something like Palace of the dead or trials that are more standalone. Since it is tied with the relic, you can't push it aside with the argument of "it is only side content" With how much SE put into this, and for most people it seems, inside content wise (forcing them self to play it, being extremely board, etc) that is pretty much literally saying there is no content existing there. There is nothing else to do besides fate train and grind off monsters, that is pretty arguably no content, there is no substance, no depth in it that shows 17 months + delays of development.

I apologize for taking it the wrong way. It was the way it was structured is all. No harm no foul.

its fine, no one is perfect.

[Alleo]

I think even adding a "meh, it's bad" option would make it work better

That would make it lean towards the bad side which would also be poll manipulation. Either make it like the Japanese one that had Neither as the third option (so it was not boring but also not fun, so really neutral or the I dont care) or you need much more question. For me five questions would have been perfect. Two for the good side, two for the bad and one that doesnt care. Because if you dont love it but also dont have it you kinda have to use the option that makes it more positive even if you see it more negative but dont hate it.